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I know I've got a vested interest but Mr A Cook

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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Good mockers attempt, but I can't see him getting a century in Perth now.

He'll rack up a double ton as soon as the urn is lost. So Melbourne.



Should be sacked, Ramps. The batting is chronic.
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That can’t be put on the batting coach. Players have to take individual responsibility and show the correct application. Ramprakash can’t make a decision for James Vince to waft a wide one.

The batting coach can identify technical issues and work on those but the players have to take responisbility
 

The Sheepfolds End said:
That can’t be put on the batting coach. Players have to take individual responsibility and show the correct application. Ramprakash can’t make a decision for James Vince to waft a wide one.

The batting coach can identify technical issues and work on those but the players have to take responisbility
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What is he doing with Gary Ballance then eh? Is he replaying his own career and telling Ballance just to stick to his own game and it'll all come good. The lad has talent and bottle, but nobody is helping him with his technique.

I mean of course, I agree that the players must take responsibility. But Ramps surely has a view on selection too. And also, like the bowling coach, on tactics. England's batting is so bad - somebody must carry the can.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
What is he doing with Gary Ballance then eh? Is he replaying his own career and telling Ballance just to stick to his own game and it'll all come good. The lad has talent and bottle, but nobody is helping him with his technique.

I mean of course, I agree that the players must take responsibility. But Ramps surely has a view on selection too. And also, like the bowling coach, on tactics. England's batting is so bad - somebody must carry the can.
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The batsmen aren’t that good. Coaches can only do so much.

Ballance has been back at country cricket as well. He has predominantly done very well in that arena. His technique works for him. At a higher level it doesn’t. He shouldn’t be selected as a result. Ramprakash can’t coach his technique out of him and make him successful. Ballabce just seemingly isn’t capable of changing it
 
The Sheepfolds End said:
The batsmen aren’t that good. Coaches can only do so much.

Ballance has been back at country cricket as well. He has predominantly done very well in that arena. His technique works for him. At a higher level it doesn’t. He shouldn’t be selected as a result. Ramprakash can’t coach his technique out of him and make him successful. Ballabce just seemingly isn’t capable of changing it
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I think you're right about Ramprakash but I think the issue is that Balance does think there a problem there and if he thinks like that there's nothing a coach can do, the player has to be willing and if not nothing can happen.

So the question is why did they pick him with such an obvious flaw, unless they think it's not as important as we all think.
 
Bri said:
I think you're right about Ramprakash but I think the issue is that Balance does think there a problem there and if he thinks like that there's nothing a coach can do, the player has to be willing and if not nothing can happen.

So the question is why did they pick him with such an obvious flaw, unless they think it's not as important as we all think.
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Not at all sure why he is picked. They’ll probably pick him ahead of Vince in the next test and expose his flaws on probably the quickest pitch in the world
 
chopsfc007 said:
People forgot when he got over 700 in a series in Australia
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Or the other 11000 runs he has scored across his career. I think this is the first time I’ve seen anyone hint at Cook effectively being a flat track / dead rubber bully.
 
chopsfc007 said:
Probably our best player ever he still has runs in him
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I agree he has plenty runs in him. He’s certainly one of our greats. I hope his career finishes strongly rather than on a downward turn though. I didn’t rate his captaincy but he seems a genuinely good character and has served his country brilliantly for over a decade.
 
Agreed. I hope he continues for England for years to come. I suspect he'll do a Colly and play for Essex until he's knackered if not. A top bloke who loves his county cricket.
 
nyron4england said:
this. he's the lukaku of cricket.
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How can you say that? Do you play the game? Or do you just judge from your settee?

He's been probably the best opening batsman England has had for over 50 years.

chopsfc007 said:
People forgot when he got over 700 in a series in Australia
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This.

You think this is easy? Most cricketers don't score this amount of runs in a season. Let alone in a five game series in Australia, against one of the fired-up bowling attacks, in one of the most partisan, hostile atmospheres any cricketer will ever face.

Nearly as bad as at Horden when the Big Club emptied for the afternoon.
 
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The Sheepfolds End said:
The batsmen aren’t that good. Coaches can only do so much.

Ballance has been back at country cricket as well. He has predominantly done very well in that arena. His technique works for him. At a higher level it doesn’t. He shouldn’t be selected as a result. Ramprakash can’t coach his technique out of him and make him successful. Ballabce just seemingly isn’t capable of changing it
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I think there's an asymmetry here. I think people are always going on about plans for bowling. What's your plan to get such and such out. What's the plan for this pitch. Fine, you need that - and this is where the bowling coach comes in.

But with batting we just go - it's all ability, you've got to take responsibility etc. etc. Well, no - you need a plan for batting too. You should have a plan of your innings when you cross that line, that looks at the opposition, looks at their strengths, looks at the game, the conditions - all the things. Someone, for me, is giving England's batsmen, pretty bad advice - often, some of their "bad shots" look like execution of a bad plan. It's been this way throughout the Bayliss era.

Of course, I am aware the talent cupboard is a bit bare too. And I'm not saying the players are absolved of personal responsibility. But I am saying there's something there for me - the coaching is deficient. We keep making the same mistakes.
 
They look terrified to me and all the talk from the Aussies look to have gotten to them. Then there is the daft decisions they make.
 
Jap Stammer said:
How can you say that? Do you play the game? Or do you just judge from your settee?

He's been probably the best opening batsman England has had for over 50 years.


This.

You think this is easy? Most cricketers don't score this amount of runs in a season. Let alone in a five game series in Australia, against one of the fired-up bowling attacks, in one of the most partisan, hostile atmospheres any cricketer will ever face.

Nearly as bad as at Horden when the Big Club emptied for the afternoon.
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yeah, i've played it since i was 5 years old. it's an opinion, it doesn't have to be the same as yours.

Bonzo said:
They look terrified to me and all the talk from the Aussies look to have gotten to them. Then there is the daft decisions they make.
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i would agree with this. they look scared to play shots, like the pressure was on before they walked onto the field.
 
nyron4england said:
yeah, i've played it since i was 5 years old. it's an opinion, it doesn't have to be the same as yours.
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My apologies. Thought you might have an armchair warrior. :lol:

nyron4england said:
i would agree with this. they look scared to play shots, like the pressure was on before they walked onto the field.
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Also agree. I was always taught, and to this day tell any young 'uns in our squads, that you should walk out there with the attitude that no-one on their side is good enough to get you out. If you walk to the crease worrying too much about the bowling, you will freeze, and get out sooner, rather than later.
 
Jap Stammer said:
My apologies. Thought you might have an armchair warrior. :lol:


Also agree. I was always taught, and to this day tell any young 'uns in our squads, that you should walk out there with the attitude that no-one on their side is good enough to get you out. If you walk to the crease worrying too much about the bowling, you will freeze, and get out sooner, rather than later.
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no worries. yeah, every time. pick the bad balls. if there aren't any, play it calm and they will come. it's test cricket, you have plenty time. worst case scenario is that you draw. we hold the urn, a draw retains the urn. we should be playing the cricket equivalent of parking the bus. IMO
 
nyron4england said:
no worries. yeah, every time. pick the bad balls. if there aren't any, play it calm and they will come. it's test cricket, you have plenty time. worst case scenario is that you draw. we hold the urn, a draw retains the urn. we should be playing the cricket equivalent of parking the bus. IMO
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Exactly this, we don't need to win it to keep it, but we do now.
 
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