BBC: Why is heroin killing so many people?

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f***ing electric chair is what they want,costing the tax payer a fortune to keep them alive ,contribute fuckall to anyone or anything .
Don't know anyone who's gone on the smack who's worth a toss,they are on it for life and will mug old woman etc for it.
Get shot of the kernts.

If you're keen to save money, the electric chair is a pretty expensive way to go about offing someone
 
I did.

They didn't just relax police policy towards prosecutions against cannabis users, they made it into a cottage industry that got out of control and that is an admission of the failure of creating a mass market.

County Durham police have in effect negated that by openly stating that they aren't coming after people who have a little grow tent in the back bedroom so that they can get on with the more serious crimes including serious drug crime. So what's the difference? Get growing in the DH area and no one will stop you...as long as you don't take the piss. They just aren't creating an industry, that's all.
It was a cottage industry anyway. Wasting police time so they, the police, just stopped arresting. Problem is, the criminal gangs are still involved. The only way to solve that is full legalisation.

Hopefully we follow suit!

That was me really. The thing is people love getting fucked up. There's evidence we've done it for millennia.


So are you saying the criminal element would accept defeat if heroin was legalised and not try and recoup their losses pushing something else massively addictive and illegal?
I don't think youve been following Portugal. They treat drug addicts - all drug addicts - as medical rather than criminal cases. It's not just heroin.

and if the causers of crime arent serious about getting rehabilitated....then lets get pragmatic with solutions ;) i aint paying for them to take the easy road when im working 50 hours a week;)
Yes you are!
 
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i think the majority of smack heads are a lost cause who are a plague on society when they are on the gear, tax and crime. bullet to the head, two chances to get sorted or out.

I don't know enough to tar so many of them with the same brush but I dare bet many of them either started on smack because of other problems in their lives that they couldn't deal with or they made a shit decision when they were younger because some of their mates did. I don't think people should be written off because of a mistake they made although they do have to want to get off heroin or it will never happen

Some addicts do terrible things to get the money they need to keep on heroin but not all of them and I dare bet some of them would just be wronguns even if they weren't addicted but there will be a decent amount who want help but are stuck in the same vicious circle with the same people and struggle to get out of it

I think it's easy to see any current 'models' we have in this country are not working so other things need to be at least tried to see if they can improve the situation. Especially if it could cost the taxpayers less than it already does

What I often find with topics like this though is that people just see all addicts as degenerates who do not deserve anything other than punishment because they do not have enough information on the subject. All my opinion of course
 
If you're keen to save money, the electric chair is a pretty expensive way to go about offing someone
Can't remember the exact figure, but it costs millions to execute someone in the USA, so that's that one out the window.
 
personally I would flood the market with a poisoned batch and get rid of the problem overnight

but then I am complete bastard who isnt addicted to any drugs
 
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It was a cottage industry anyway. Wasting police time so they, the police, just stopped arresting. Problem is, the criminal gangs are still involved. The only way to solve that is full legalisation.

Hopefully we follow suit!

I don't think youve been following Portugal. They treat drug addicts - all drug addicts - as medical rather than criminal cases. It's not just heroin.
Hopefully we don't imo. But yes, I suppose the Portugal model would be worth a trial if that is your desire, medicalizing drug use rather than criminalizing it...but that model is not full legalization.

personally I would flood the market with a poisoned batch and get rid of the problem overnight

but then I am complete bastard who isnt addicted to any drugs
Again, a hard-line model would be good for me too if that is your wish. Singapore seems to be a pretty well run, tight ship.
 
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I don't know enough to tar so many of them with the same brush but I dare bet many of them either started on smack because of other problems in their lives that they couldn't deal with or they made a shit decision when they were younger because some of their mates did. I don't think people should be written off because of a mistake they made although they do have to want to get off heroin or it will never happen

Some addicts do terrible things to get the money they need to keep on heroin but not all of them and I dare bet some of them would just be wronguns even if they weren't addicted but there will be a decent amount who want help but are stuck in the same vicious circle with the same people and struggle to get out of it

I think it's easy to see any current 'models' we have in this country are not working so other things need to be at least tried to see if they can improve the situation. Especially if it could cost the taxpayers less than it already does

What I often find with topics like this though is that people just see all addicts as degenerates who do not deserve anything other than punishment because they do not have enough information on the subject. All my opinion of course

We also need people to pay respect to the subject, that most of those who are arguing for a different legal framework for the drug problem aren’t just arguing for it to be a free for all and then sit back while everyone has a Roman orgy. Changes to how we tackle drugs are part of a range of things we need to do to sort out a number of problems, and picking at one aspect so you can stick your lip out at the parts you find unpalatable is by every measure the worst response to a genuine attempt to discuss solutions to a major and far-reaching problem.
 
personally I would flood the market with a poisoned batch and get rid of the problem overnight

but then I am complete bastard who isnt addicted to any drugs

Some people didn't have much of a chance though, coming from broken homes with family members using and / or dealing, for a lot of people like that it's a question of when not if due to how they have been brought up and it's just rinse and repeat. We all heard the stories about smack when we were kids but lads more intelligent and street wise than me still tried it and effectively fucked up their lives forever or at least for a long time. The majority of them were good lads as well who just made a mistake or did it due to peer pressure

They go to prison and can still use inside, come out and the dealers get hold of them straight away because they have nowhere else to go but their home towns. It seems to me it's a never ending cycle

I don't know any of them anymore and I'd guess at least some will of done some bad things due to being on heroin but if there was a different avenue to go down then maybe they'd of sorted themselves out

Like I said in an earlier post I don't know enough to say this is the answer or that is the answer but when something isn't working for a long period you need to try something else

We also need people to pay respect to the subject, that most of those who are arguing for a different legal framework for the drug problem aren’t just arguing for it to be a free for all and then sit back while everyone has a Roman orgy. Changes to how we tackle drugs are part of a range of things we need to do to sort out a number of problems, and picking at one aspect so you can stick your lip out at the parts you find unpalatable is by every measure the worst response to a genuine attempt to discuss solutions to a major and far-reaching problem.

Agreed, good post mate
 
was just about to suggest the same. the deterrent of fear...........
You'd intentionally poison drugs so that people died who took them?

Amazing: hopefully it'll be followed up by the government policy that every 1 in 20 vodka bottles contains hemlock, every 1 in 50 McDonald's burgers contains belladonna and every 1 in 100 cannabis buds is laced with cyanide.

Great that people in the 21st century want to treat health problems with poison. What progress we've made since the dark ages. Well done humanity.
 
You'd intentionally poison drugs so that people died who took them?

Amazing: hopefully it'll be followed up by the government policy that every 1 in 20 vodka bottles contains hemlock, every 1 in 50 McDonald's burgers contains belladonna and every 1 in 100 cannabis buds is laced with cyanide.

Great that people in the 21st century want to treat health problems with poison. What progress we've made since the dark ages. Well done humanity.
people who deliberately take harmful opioids and commit crimes to support those habits deserve it.
 
people who deliberately take harmful opioids and commit crimes to support those habits deserve it.

So people who take drugs should be executed? What about alcohol?

And just to clarify, you think people who shop lift should be executed? I've seen people make arguments for why murderers and child rapists should be killed but you're going to have to enlighten me on why shop lifters should be killed. Should we stone people who speed? Lop hands off for antisocial behaviour?
 
So people who take drugs should be executed? What about alcohol?

And just to clarify, you think people who shop lift should be executed? I've seen people make arguments for why murderers and child rapists should be killed but you're going to have to enlighten me on why shop lifters should be killed. Should we stone people who speed? Lop hands off for antisocial behaviour?

Yes to your final two points
 
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