Harvey Weinstein



I disagree with all this "there's subtleties" stuff about someone who was a sexual predator, a sexual assaulter, and (possibly) a rapist. Where are these "subtleties"? What's so "subtle"? What am I missing here?
Either I’m not writing very clearly or you're being a bit myopic here.

Obviously (I thought it was obvious) any subtleties aren’t with the main perpetrator and his actions which appear pretty clear cut and seem to be roundly decried by everyone, but with the peripheral discussion about exactly who knew about this and for how long. Did they know the full story or just hear second hand rumours. Did they spill the beans or keep schtum (and if so - why not or why?) or did they add to the cover up (Affleck and Damon?) Were they victimized themselves in some way or did they take the ‘king’s shilling’ to further their career?

There’s a lot more to these scenarios than ‘Harvey Weinstein bad, everyone else completely blameless’ I reckon.
 
they had no career at that point, they were (in the main) just starting out and placed their own self interest above the greater good. he is clearly a twat who abused his position but the victims coming out now reek of self interest and have massively suspect morals keeping their mouths shut as fully aware adults. if he was a nobody who attempted similar his feet wouldnt have touched the ground.

If he was a nobody, he wouldn’t have tried it.

He’s a coward, a predator and an abuser of the power he wielded. Using it for his own perverted means.
 
If it wasn't so grim it would be almost funny in a "Oi! Weinstein ffs stop wanking in front of people ya cringey twat!"

Aye I was talking about this with our lass when she suddenly pipes up with “and what was all that about him wanking off into a potted plant?”

Kinda hard to keep the discussion serious after that!
 
yes he did. no argument. but if they were felt up in a hotel lobby by a nobody it would have been 911 on speed dial.

Of course but these women were terrified that all of the hard work they had put into their careers so far could have been destroyed at the drop of a hat by someone who wielded the power he did.

Your hypothetical situation isn’t relevant here as his abuse of power is the prime enabler in all of this.
 
Fwiw I read a great book years ago that painted HW as a scary nutter called Down & Dirty Pictures. Made me look out for miramax as a sign to avoid the movie! Not cos he's a Perve but cos he butchered artists work and was a knacker!
His films have picked up 91 Oscars so I don't think we can accused him of being useless on that front.

At the end of the day he's the one commissioning that art, they have to suck that up.

The majority of artists fade into obscurity.
 
Of course but these women were terrified that all of the hard work they had put into their careers so far could have been destroyed at the drop of a hat by someone who wielded the power he did.

Your hypothetical situation isn’t relevant here as his abuse of power is the prime enabler in all of this.

no. they saw the $$ and sold out. if they had grafted in a regular career in an office they would have called it out. blinded by the millions of dollars potential in showbiz
 
Oh dear, were you a policeman back in the day when they doctored their notebooks and wrote out statements for the accused?
No I spent a year and a half on a fast track scheme interviewing suspected paedophiles, seeing and hearing what they'd done and what was on the computers and then handing them over to the justice system. I quit in a very short space of time because I could not handle the required level of objectivity that my job required and I believed it should require. I left because I didn't want to turn into a detective who took things into his own hands or go mad resisting it or pay for it with a string of failed relationships as most of my colleagues there did.

Because fuck me when you saw the things I did and heard kids tell you the things you told me you really don't want to let people have a fair trial.

When you actually know what rape and abuse is your first reaction is always to ensure the person in question is safe and protected and taken seriously rather than make them feel suspected unwanted and responsible.
 
Of course but these women were terrified that all of the hard work they had put into their careers so far could have been destroyed at the drop of a hat by someone who wielded the power he did.

Your hypothetical situation isn’t relevant here as his abuse of power is the prime enabler in all of this.
Terrified!?! I’m totally terrified! That my dog won’t be able to eat Encore and I’ll have to feed her chappie, hello corner shop Asian bloke blow job.
What an absolute pile of shite
 
no. they saw the $$ and sold out. if they had grafted in a regular career in an office they would have called it out. blinded by the millions of dollars potential in showbiz

I’m done. There’s no point discussing it any further with someone that is pointing the finger at the victims to this degree. It’s bananas.

Accusing victims of sexual abuse of being ‘sellouts ‘. Honestly, man. What the fuck?
 
I’m done. There’s no point discussing it any further with someone that is pointing the finger at the victims to this degree. It’s bananas.

Accusing victims of sexual abuse of being ‘sellouts ‘. Honestly, man. What the fuck?

thats where we are talking past each other. i dont see them as victims, i see them as victims who place a higher priority on $$ than there being further victims being created down the line.
 
Of course but these women were terrified that all of the hard work they had put into their careers so far could have been destroyed at the drop of a hat by someone who wielded the power he did.

Your hypothetical situation isn’t relevant here as his abuse of power is the prime enabler in all of this.
All their hard work??? Down the mines.
 
No I spent a year and a half on a fast track scheme interviewing suspected paedophiles, seeing and hearing what they'd done and what was on the computers and then handing them over to the justice system. I quit in a very short space of time because I could not handle the required level of objectivity that my job required and I believed it should require. I left because I didn't want to turn into a detective who took things into his own hands or go mad resisting it or pay for it with a string of failed relationships as most of my colleagues there did.

Because fuck me when you saw the things I did and heard kids tell you the things you told me you really don't want to let people have a fair trial.

When you actually know what rape and abuse is your first reaction is always to ensure the person in question is safe and protected and taken seriously rather than make them feel suspected unwanted and responsible.

So why put words in my mouth and accuse me of "victim abusing"? If you were of that ilk you'd generally be receptive to what people claimed and follow the evidence.
 
So why put words in my mouth and accuse me of "victim abusing"? If you were of that ilk you'd generally be receptive to what people claimed and follow the evidence.
I am following the evidence. There's not much grey area here. I've only read three testimonies and it's clear as day from those alone irrespective of anything else that's happened on top. Not only that but he's not even denying it so much as making the same tired excuses of "things were different in my day" and "I have a problem". There's no subtleties here. Just a predatory fat man abusing women in a variety of different ways and him excusing himself weakly.

I'll admit though my calling you a victim abuser was out of line as you didn't actually do that, apologies. Emotions run high on this stuff.
 

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