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Vince, Malan and Ballance

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The Sheepfolds End said:
Well Ballance had a canny season
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He might have but he's been utter shit for England over the last however many chances he's had.

The more I think about it the angrier I am about this squad and Ballance's selection in particular, if he bats 3 I don't believe he will average over 20 in the entire series.

For an international number 3 in the biggest series in the world that is simply not good enough and is so poor to be saying that, and will cost us the Ashes in my opinion.
 
DaveAngel said:
Oh that is very weak.

I think there is a general feeling that everything is completely muddled, and I think people don't have much faith with management.

We had a period when some real talents came into the squad over a few years, Root, Stokes, Ali, Bairstow

I am not going to start the Vince thing again, I hope the lad scores a shit load of runs, but has he even scored any this year? He also seems extremely flakey as a charachter

And that bowling attack is just bizarre. I reckon that is the end to Mark Wood's test career.
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It's only a couple month back yiu said we were far better than the Aussies...... :confused:
 
We are better than Australia, not by a lot but we are better in my opinion, that's the frustration for me. They are a pretty ordinary side I reckon and we should be going there as favourites but the importance of picking the right squad and then the right side from it cannot be overstated. Look at the last World Cup as evidence of us picking totally the wrong squad and completely f***ing our chances, I can't help but feel we're very close to having done the same here.
 
Salem Street South said:
He might have but he's been utter shit for England over the last however many chances he's had.

The more I think about it the angrier I am about this squad and Ballance's selection in particular, if he bats 3 I don't believe he will average over 20 in the entire series.

For an international number 3 in the biggest series in the world that is simply not good enough and is so poor to be saying that, and will cost us the Ashes in my opinion.
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Ballance isn't the worst choice for me batting at 5 which is where he should have been early in the summer when he in top form. I cant say with any certainty that he would do the business but you could sday the same about every else who was touted. Ive no doubt the players not selected such as Hales would have 'been great' and become better selections now they havent been picked but in truth all choices were flawed.

Salem Street South said:
We are better than Australia, not by a lot but we are better in my opinion, that's the frustration for me. They are a pretty ordinary side I reckon and we should be going there as favourites but the importance of picking the right squad and then the right side from it cannot be overstated. Look at the last World Cup as evidence of us picking totally the wrong squad and completely f***ing our chances, I can't help but feel we're very close to having done the same here.
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Who would your choices have been?
 
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rentaghost said:
Ballance isn't the worst choice for me batting at 5 which is where he should have been early in the summer when he in top form. I cant say with any certainty that he would do the business but you could sday the same about every else who was touted. Ive no doubt the players not selected such as Hales would have 'been great' and become better selections now they havent been picked but in truth all choices were flawed.



Who would your choices have been?
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I agree with your point that all choices have flaws but the difference is that Ballance has had a lot of chances and failed again and again. He isn't up to Test level, definitely not in Australia where I think they will embarrass him, and simply does not deserve another chance in my opinion.

I'd have taken Hales because he hasn't had a chance in the middle order, Buttler and I think Westley is probably unlucky not to be going.
 
Salem Street South said:
He might have but he's been utter shit for England over the last however many chances he's had.

The more I think about it the angrier I am about this squad and Ballance's selection in particular, if he bats 3 I don't believe he will average over 20 in the entire series.

For an international number 3 in the biggest series in the world that is simply not good enough and is so poor to be saying that, and will cost us the Ashes in my opinion.
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I don't think he should be in the squad either
 
brandon said:
Absolutely vile.

NOMOREFALSEDAWNS will be happy like.

Only thing I will say, regarding Leach is that it's a lot different bowling spin in Australia to what it is down at Taunton Beach.
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Yeah it is ,wickets for the last 2 years there have been totally prepared for spin.

I think tbf to the selectors they were always going to be criticised whoever they picked because especially in the batting we look weak.
 
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Salem Street South said:
I agree with your point that all choices have flaws but the difference is that Ballance has had a lot of chances and failed again and again. He isn't up to Test level, definitely not in Australia where I think they will embarrass him, and simply does not deserve another chance in my opinion.

I'd have taken Hales because he hasn't had a chance in the middle order, Buttler and I think Westley is probably unlucky not to be going.
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Hales is terrible at playing the short ball and has a clear flaw at 4th stump line with slips in place. He would get nothing in his arc and face nothing other than deliveries exposing these two areas. With him not going he is the one some will say would have made the difference based on nothing at all other than one day cricket which is a different sport. out of all of them I felt certain he would fail the most but we will never know.

Hales, Westley, Vince, Ballance I have no great expectations of any of them but the latter still has the best record out of any of them in tests and first class cricket.
 
rentaghost said:
Hales is terrible at playing the short ball and has a clear flaw at 4th stump line with slips in place. He would get nothing in his arc and face nothing other than deliveries exposing these two areas. With him not going he is the one some will say would have made the difference based on nothing at all other than one day cricket which is a different sport. out of all of them I felt certain he would fail the most but we will never know.

Hales, Westley, Vince, Ballance I have no great expectations of any of them but the latter still has the best record out of any of them in tests and first class cricket.
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Ballance's test record is somewhat skewed by belting Sri Lanka and India's medium pacers around in 2014.
 
mackembhoy said:
Rashid,Bess and Leach would have all been better picks than Crane.

Wood and Plunkett would have been the best picks for Australia. The other Overton is faster, albeit Craig is better. Ball is a nothing pick.

Northeast,Hales,Lawrence,Clarke,Hildreth,Burns,Browne,Davies,Robson. All had better seasons or are better than Malan/Vince.

Ballance is Roots mate and has a high average was always going to go to be Roots cannon fodder shield at 3.
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And not one of them is an outstanding talent who demands selection, yes they maybe better than some selected. I would not have taken quite a few who are selected. But at the moment there is no players who are in the position that Stokes was before the last Ashes tour where it was clear that he was an outstanding talent and one of the best young players county cricket had seen for a few years. I don't think there is an outstanding talent on the circuit at the moment.
 
smoker said:
Ballance's test record is somewhat skewed by belting Sri Lanka and India's medium pacers around in 2014.
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I not disagreeing. You can make a damning case for tons of players NOT to go to Australia and there's certainly one for Ballance and Vince and Hales and Westley and umpteen others but coming up with a very strong case for someone to go who hasn't been selected is a lot harder. A poster above has thrown a dozen uncapped county players forward without knowing their strengths, weaknesses, ability to play pace bowling etc. With Ballance they have went back to someone with the best first class record out of anyone (49) and a decent test average despite his flaws. I'm not optimistic but I wouldn't have been with anyone else either.

wayne entwhistle no9 said:
And not one of them is an outstanding talent who demands selection, yes they maybe better than some selected. I would not have taken quite a few who are selected. But at the moment there is no players who are in the position that Stokes was before the last Ashes tour where it was clear that he was an outstanding talent and one of the best young players county cricket had seen for a few years. I don't think there is an outstanding talent on the circuit at the moment.
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I agree its embarrassing man. Theres only one English player to score 100 cc1 runs this season (Stoneman) maybe Burns. Literally no player has made a decent case to go to Australia and theres no one sitting at home that can feel hard done to.
 
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rentaghost said:
Hales is terrible at playing the short ball and has a clear flaw at 4th stump line with slips in place. He would get nothing in his arc and face nothing other than deliveries exposing these two areas. With him not going he is the one some will say would have made the difference based on nothing at all other than one day cricket which is a different sport. out of all of them I felt certain he would fail the most but we will never know.

Hales, Westley, Vince, Ballance I have no great expectations of any of them but the latter still has the best record out of any of them in tests and first class cricket.
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He has played the short ball well in these one dayers against WI mind and I think you overstate the difference between one day and Test match cricket and how hard he is likely to find it down under / how good their bowling is to be honest.

Look, you may well be right, he may have failed and I certainly agree with you that it's harder to make a case for someone than it is against all the names put forward, but at least with Hales he has shown he has the pedigree and temperament for International cricket and the pressure of an Ashes series, his last stint as opener was by no means terrible nor does he have the baggage of numerous recalls and failures that Ballance does.
 
Salem Street South said:
He has played the short ball well in these one dayers against WI mind and I think you overstate the difference between one day and Test match cricket and how hard he is likely to find it down under / how good their bowling is to be honest.

Look, you may well be right, he may have failed, and I certainly agree with you that it's harder to make a case for someone than it is against all the names put forward, but at least with Hales he has shown he has the pedigree and temperament for International cricket and the pressure of an Ashes series, his last stint as opener was by no means terrible nor does he have the baggage of numerous recalls and failures that Ballance does.
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I honestly don't think I do. It requires a completely different mindset, technique and skillset which I don't believe Hales has. However it is what it is - fingers crossed the ones that have been selected surprise us.
 
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