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You've got a point marra, I saw this shit coming from a mile away and to blame it on Trump completely misses the point. Throughout any period in history, if things swing too far towards one "side" there is always a push back from the other side. Always. Brexit, Trump and these riots are the push back from years of globalism, liberalism, multiculturalism etc which has left vast swathes of mainly working and middle class white people on the sidelines and often demonised. The media has to take a lot of the blame also for stirring up shite on both sides.

The world order currently being constructed has little to do with race and everything to do with control in my opinion, the biggest struggle at the moment is for who dictates the narrative.
 


Trump stands no chance and for him to have even half a chance he needs the whole country behind him, simply not going to happen.

Interesting perspective, polarisation is what it is for me at the moment, everything is split sides have formed, and even in Britain its the same, but that is down to a few factors..
 
Interesting perspective, polarisation is what it is for me at the moment, everything is split sides have formed, and even in Britain its the same, but that is down to a few factors..
Exactly and polarization means whatever Trump puts into place will be met with opposition just like Obama's attempts. If they truly want to sort out their problems first they need to come together which is what Trump is trying to do. It's like with addicts the first stage is admitting they have a problem... at the moment Americans are all busy pointing the finger at eachother, I say Americans but it seems to be an era the planet is going through; cyclical.
 
I will, but it's really quite straightforward. Although you've put it bluntly, yes, thats my point although not as black and white (Excuse the pun!) as "Put up or shut up". I don't think, a statue of a military general is offensive. If people perceive it as that, then thats unfortunate but thats their interpretation. Just to clarity, I have black family members, any form of racism is disgusting. If you're getting into a debate about the Civil War and general attitudes of black people, I'm happy to engage with you but we're going off topic. I'm not referring to the years of slavery, poor men and women went through, being used as bargaining chips, that is fundamentally wrong and I'm pleased the North won the war for the sake of humanity, I'm referring to this statue incident in particular, just incase you try and twist my words again.

Statues really, are simply shrines to a particular person (good or bad) of significant importance for that time, it's hardly a defamatory gesture. Like @Stevie Freestein II correctly pointed out, I can hardly imagine the muslim population are particularly keen on the Richard the Lionheart statue, considering he marched an army thousands of miles, to conqueror and annihilate muslims in the name of Christianity, should that be taken down?

With ISIS cutting heads off, and children being blown up in terror attacks, I think a bit of perspective is needed over a statue.

Thats my point.
Not sure I agree with that. Statues are not just physical representations of people relevant to a time. They are enduring monuments designed to preserve the meaning behind the person and bring it into this time. They are emblematic otherwise they would have no point beyond decoration and would be taken down once outdated.
The debate is over what aspects of Lees meaning are being preserved I think
 
how about the Chinese, the Americans are in a lot of debt to them
People severely underestimate the Chinese in my experience. If China told the US and UK to fuck off re their debt both economies would probably collapse, they have us by the balls which is why the UK government has been dancing to their tune for some time now.

As for what's constructing this world order, I'm afraid it's not a nation state but something greater. Think of when before the ECSC was formed.
 
I'm not justifying either side but before Trump was elected there were demonstrators attending Trump rallies and causing mayhem, I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of how crazy America is but, don't you think that played any part in them deciding we must defend ourselves and perhaps now it's gone a little too far? I don't think it's wholly Trump's fault though nor is it his followers, they have all been played like pawns on both sides. In my opinion
Either side?
The people standing up to fascists and neo nazis don't need justifying- they're doing what is right like our grandparents / great grandparents did.
 
Putin owns Trump. The Chinese are delighted that Trump is making a fool of himself on the international stage though.

Most likely the case China and Russia are working to lessen the influence of America and the globalists who want to bring the world under the rule of their brand of international law?

Either side?
The people standing up to fascists and neo nazis don't need justifying- they're doing what is right like our grandparents / great grandparents did.

My grandparents/great grandparents were German.

Not sure I agree with that. Statues are not just physical representations of people relevant to a time. They are enduring monuments designed to preserve the meaning behind the person and bring it into this time. They are emblematic otherwise they would have no point beyond decoration and would be taken down once outdated.
The debate is over what aspects of Lees meaning are being preserved I think

This and it has become a somewhat self-fulfilling prophecy. To my knowledge it wasn't a rallying point for the far right but I suspect it will be now knowing they can easily get a rise; ordo ab chao.
 
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People severely underestimate the Chinese in my experience. If China told the US and UK to fuck off re their debt both economies would probably collapse, they have us by the balls which is why the UK government has been dancing to their tune for some time now.

As for what's constructing this world order, I'm afraid it's not a nation state but something greater. Think of when before the ECSC was formed.

Putin owns Trump. The Chinese are delighted that Trump is making a fool of himself on the international stage though.

i agree with both of these points, first to reply to Moyes, for me the Chinese are the ones who stand the gain the most from whatever happens next, with the way trump goes on a lot of country's who disagree with him, will look for Chinese investment instead of doing business with trump..

and to the second point, from MakemX, it has yet to be proven by Mueller just how Putin Owns Trump, but i guess we will find out sooner or later, no doubt the Chinese will think its great, more people want to do business with them, than the orange one.
 
Most likely the case China and Russia are working to lessen the influence of America and the globalists who want to bring the world under the rule of their brand of international law?

I think this is probably the case. I also think that Trump is genuinely a "rogue" candidate which is why the globalists/deep state are desperate to discredit and get rid of him. Trump doesn't help himself sometimes like it's fair to say but still (for good or bad) I think he's first genuine President since Kennedy (the rest were just puppets). We all know what happened to Kennedy in the end...
 
i agree with both of these points, first to reply to Moyes, for me the Chinese are the ones who stand the gain the most from whatever happens next, with the way trump goes on a lot of country's who disagree with him, will look for Chinese investment instead of doing business with trump..

and to the second point, from MakemX, it has yet to be proven by Mueller just how Putin Owns Trump, but i guess we will find out sooner or later, no doubt the Chinese will think its great, more people want to do business with them, than the orange one.

Wouldn't surprise me at all, if I was a gambling man I'd have went short on all US markets on Friday ;)... certainly appeared to be the turning point with Trump's threats, that and the monumental gains made over the last few month have to come down at some point. I don't think that coupled with Trump's threats will be favourable for either the usa 30/500, I doubt they'll rise again this year and reckon it's downward from here. God help America if China tell them they're getting fuck all on their debts because they've pissed them off re: North Korea.
 
I think this is probably the case. I also think that Trump is genuinely a "rogue" candidate which is why the globalists/deep state are desperate to discredit and get rid of him. Trump doesn't help himself sometimes like it's fair to say but still (for good or bad) I think he's first genuine President since Kennedy (the rest were just puppets). We all know what happened to Kennedy in the end...
I agree with you regarding Kennedy.
 
Wouldn't surprise me at all, if I was a gambling man I'd have went short on all US markets on Friday ;)... certainly appeared to be the turning point with Trump's threats, that and the monumental gains made over the last few month have to come down at some point. I don't think that coupled with Trump's threats will be favourable for either the usa 30/500, I doubt they'll rise again this year and reckon it's downward from here. God help America if China tell them they're getting fuck all on their debts because they've pissed them off re: North Korea.

North Korea, and chinas opinion on that is the biggest factor, Trump should remember that you don't piss off, the people you owe money to. china have always been the silence dragon, always watching and waiting, having the biggest army in the world, and having American debt in there pocket, i guess they can afford to be

I agree with you regarding Kennedy.

JFK, was better with speeches, some of the best ones, we choose to go to the moon, not because it is easy but because it is hard. a true classic
 
North Korea, and chinas opinion on that is the biggest factor, Trump should remember that you don't piss off, the people you owe money to. china have always been the silence dragon, always watching and waiting, having the biggest army in the world, and having American debt in there pocket, i guess they can afford to be



JFK, was better with speeches, some of the best ones, we choose to go to the moon, not because it is easy but because it is hard. a true classic
JFK was a fine man. Shame really!
 
I think you've veered off a bit. A lot of black people in the South think Confederate figures and imagery is being used by white supremacists to justify violence. A democratic vote was made to remove this statue. You're saying black people in the South shouldn't exercise democratic measures to tackle this and should leave if they can't tolerate this. What is your reasoning for that? And in what way do black people "choose" to live in the South as opposed to white people there?

No, Let me clarify, white supremacists are scum and I despise what they stand for. My issue, is taking down the statue, which I don't agree is the right thing to do. I'm actually agreeing with you - My point, is the statue only, you keep going back to this racist ideology which is not my point. I think, people are well within their rights to be displeased with a statue being taken down that represents their history. You, don't agree, that's fine. I'm not arguing with you that the white supremacy types are still, even to this day, still opposing equal rights, they're f***ing mentally challenged, racist and haven't evolved as human beings. I'm aware a vote was passed to remove the statue, but now there's even more division which inevitably, will lead to violence. For me, it was a bad move in my personal opinion.

You say black people should exercise dramatic measures, they're doing that already. The statue itself has been vandalised with "black lives matter", there has been violence at rallies, people killed, American is a really, tense, divisive country right now, whether you believe it or not, that statue means alot to some people. Taking it down for some, is like American is erasing part of their beliefs.

These white supremacists, now can justify their marches and actions with the statue removal issue excuse, it gives them something to be angry about.
 
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