White supremacists matching in Virginia

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Good point, it may also be how Putin has kept power, for as long as he has, so maybe something to think about on that score..



The same David Duke yes, now as for those who organised it, i am yet to see much from them, however if something comes up, and i see it, i will post it. just to add to the debate of course
Vladislav Surkov is the name of the bloke who manages things for Putin.
 
The replacement must be correct though. Easy to make it worse whether it be a Dem or Rep replacement.

indeed, i guess we will find out, its crazy at the moment mind as @Tommasi has just said.. fake news all of that, if he does get booted out, it has to be cast iron, no room for the conspiracy theorists.

Vladislav Surkov is the name of the bloke who manages things for Putin.

Cheers for the information..

He's condemned the whole shebang mate.

link ?
 
Exactly, it's a lose-lose situation, surely the easiest thing to do is leave it, where its been for years? Are they going to take down a George Washington statue down? No, because he's the 'Good guy'. It's ludicrous to say a statue offends someone. Basically, the same 'Anti-violent' left groups have suddenly, after all these years decide now, they're offended.

The South, have every right to say, "This is my heritage, good or bad he is an important figure in our history". I understand why they're a bit pissed off. However, these stupid marches just brings out the hillbilly, poorly educated idiots.

Are we going to ask Scotland to take down their William Wallace statue? He murdered English men/women and sacked our Towns before he was caught, I want it down as it 'offends' me. Where is the line? Robin Wood was no saint, does that stay up? See where I'm going with this?

The South does not unanimously see that as their culture, as the South includes a lot of black people. And wherever the line is, statues to those who defended slavery are on the wrong side of it
 
Good point, it may also be how Putin has kept power, for as long as he has, so maybe something to think about on that score..



The same David Duke yes, now as for those who organised it, i am yet to see much from them, however if something comes up, and i see it, i will post it. just to add to the debate of course

On David Duke, forgive me if I don't go along with the narrative that him and Trump are best buddies doing eachother's bidding then.

The dude who organised the rally has condemned the violence.

indeed, i guess we will find out, its crazy at the moment mind as @Tommasi has just said.. fake news all of that, if he does get booted out, it has to be cast iron, no room for the conspiracy theorists.



Cheers for the information..



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You want me to link you to a video of Trump condemning the violence in Virginia?


What people should be deriving from that is "not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama".
 
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Remember when a Bernie Sanders supporter left-wing activist shot up a Republican baseball game? That got brushed under the carpet pretty quickly.

Antifa and Black Lives Matter are a bunch of thugs too. If you can't see this and if you think all Trump supporters are Nazis then you're part of the problem too.
 
indeed, i guess we will find out, its crazy at the moment mind as @Tommasi has just said.. fake news all of that, if he does get booted out, it has to be cast iron, no room for the conspiracy theorists

The conspiracy would be all of this being blamed on Trump :lol:

Remember when a Bernie Sanders supporter left-wing activist shot up a Republican baseball game? That got brushed under the carpet pretty quickly.

Antifa and Black Lives Matter are a bunch of thugs too. If you can't see this and if you think all Trump supporters are Nazis then you're part of the problem too.
NWO on it's way marra and we're all stood pointing fingers at eachother. We don't stand a chance, divided and conquered :lol:
 
Remember when a Bernie Sanders supporter left-wing activist shot up a Republican baseball game? That got brushed under the carpet pretty quickly.

Antifa and Black Lives Matter are a bunch of thugs too. If you can't see this and if you think all Trump supporters are Nazis then you're part of the problem too.
Is that immortal technique in your avatar? :lol:
 
On David Duke, forgive me if I don't go along with the narrative that him and Trump are best buddies doing eachother's bidding then.

The dude who organised the rally has condemned the violence.


You want me to link you to a video of Trump condemning the violence in Virginia?


What people should be deriving from that is "not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama".

interesting interview from trump.. and i watched all of it. lets hope he delivers on his words, to heal wounds
 
The South does not unanimously see that as their culture, as the South includes a lot of black people. And wherever the line is, statues to those who defended slavery are on the wrong side of it

Of course, but they choose to live there, if they're not comfortable in that environment they can move. If they're not in a position to do that - They have to accept it or just ignore it. It's only a statue, it doesn't solely represent slavery, Robert Lee was a huge figure, it's hardly an insulting gesture. But, to go along with your view, what's the alternative, take it down on morality reasons alone? Basically, delete that section of history, cause massive divide (In a country already divided courtesy of Mr Trump) and create an angry backlash - Good idea eh?

Like I stated with my William Wallace comparison, if we're taking down statues as they offend some people, we'll need to take down a lot of statues.
 
The us civil war was a lot more complicated than a fight for or against slavery. For many it was a fight for the primacy of state rights against federal interference.

Every state had the right to secede from the union I assume that the now don't.


Richard the lion heart has a statue outside Westminster and was a crusader, have British muslims been offended?
Im not sure why you keep trying to bring irrelevant events into this thread. White supremacists have drove a car into a crowd of people, killing a person. That is the story here.
 
So which is it?

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Or India where there are 15 million known slaves? They should obviously concentrate on the white man's past.
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Why would americans be more bothered about their country than India i wonder. Its really odd.

Bizarre picture by the way. Its almost like you've taken sides. With the nazis.

Think about that for a minute.
 
interesting interview from trump.. and i watched all of it. lets hope he delivers on his words, to heal wounds

I guess the majority hope but that isn't enough because there is a very real problem in America and it's existed since way before Trump, even Obama struggled against it. Pinning this on Trump then expecting the problem to go with him when he's got rid of is ensuring it happens again and lessening the ability to mount a real challenge in the future because people will conclude "it was all Trump's doing now he's gone the problem is resolved". Obviously people are going to start calling me a nutter/conspiracy theorist etc but this has been a problem for decades yet it's only recently started receiving a whole bunch attention and there are radical groups on both sides receiving significant funding to stir things up. If you study history you'll see enough of this throughout our existence.
 
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