Sussex putting Surrey to the sword.

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Probably music to the ears of the majority of followers of County cricket :D yeah I saw about that, similar to our capitulation against them at Guildford.

I like Batts. Really nice guy off the pitch, been good for us over the years, but he should go. He's clearly not happy, he's been on the same for a while and his captaincy is shite (personally I think he takes a huge chunk of the blame for our Lord's defeat this year).
Only issue is that this is where Zafar has fucked us, because Borthwick has repeatedly shown he can't become our sole spinner...:rolleyes:
Saw the clip of borthwick taking his only wicket yesterday. A c+b from a really poor drag down, it's amazing how many wicket he's got from those. But although he's not a reliable spinner he's a good batsman ..... so what's happened to him this season? His first full season for Durham as a batsman (no 3) he scored more than 1,000 runs and we won the championship, much to Colly's surprise - and he's scored a 1000 every year since, except this one.
 


Saw the clip of borthwick taking his only wicket yesterday. A c+b from a really poor drag down, it's amazing how many wicket he's got from those. But although he's not a reliable spinner he's a good batsman ..... so what's happened to him this season? His first full season for Durham as a batsman (no 3) he scored more than 1,000 runs and we won the championship, much to Colly's surprise - and he's scored a 1000 every year since, except this one.
I honestly don't know mate, he's been awful with the bat in all forms this season. He got a ton against Lancy at the start of the season but since then he can't seem to buy a run. Seems a bit brain-dead at time too, with both bat and ball. Batting 3 for us at Somerset, and should've been out twice in his first two balls yesterday evening!
 
Maybe Borthwick is missing his Nana's lunches?? :eek::lol:

Seriously though, possibly it is a bit of homesickness - plus I don't think he or Stoneman would've expected to be in and out of the side so much.

The benefit Surrey have is a big squad - meaning they can rotate regularly to keep lads fresh, but with both the ex-Durham lads I get the impression they want to play every game. Certainly up here in the last year or two they were pretty much nailed on to play a prominent role in all three formats - so it must be a shock to the system.

As for Surrey and Yorkshire - personally feel they've got far too much quality not to get it right in the end. Expect both to survive.

It was a bad move for Borthwick, he never bowls, and I imagine he will get dropped from the 4 day stuff eventually

His current average in the CC is 31, which is probably his worst for about 5 years, if he doesn't better it come the end of the season - Surrey may look to replace him at 3.

I can't see them getting rid of him, may just look to drop him down the order.
 
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Maybe Borthwick is missing his Nana's lunches?? :eek::lol:

Seriously though, possibly it is a bit of homesickness - plus I don't think he or Stoneman would've expected to be in and out of the side so much.

The benefit Surrey have is a big squad - meaning they can rotate regularly to keep lads fresh, but with both the ex-Durham lads I get the impression they want to play every game. Certainly up here in the last year or two they were pretty much nailed on to play a prominent role in all three formats - so it must be a shock to the system.

As for Surrey and Yorkshire - personally feel they've got far too much quality not to get it right in the end. Expect both to survive.



His current average in the CC is 31, which is probably his worst for about 5 years, if he doesn't better it come the end of the season - Surrey may look to replace him at 3.

I can't see them getting rid of him, may just look to drop him down the order.

Slippery slope

Honestly no bitterness in this post, I honestly think for cricketing reasons but was a bad move

He was our number 1 spinner in all formats, 2nd slip, our main bat. I'm sure captaincy would have followed

So for cricketing reasons I don't get it. But he's a young lad with a big pay rise moving to London. It'll be class lifestyle

I reckon they will be back at some point

If you look at the lads who have had chances, Rocky should have least been in a squad or touring party. He only got his first call up to lions this year!

It's a shame he feels he needs to go to surrey to get noticed, someone obviously just doesn't fancy him. I think if he had got in England team he would have stayed
 
Slippery slope

Honestly no bitterness in this post, I honestly think for cricketing reasons but was a bad move

He was our number 1 spinner in all formats, 2nd slip, our main bat. I'm sure captaincy would have followed

So for cricketing reasons I don't get it. But he's a young lad with a big pay rise moving to London. It'll be class lifestyle

I reckon they will be back at some point

If you look at the lads who have had chances, Rocky should have least been in a squad or touring party. He only got his first call up to lions this year!

It's a shame he feels he needs to go to surrey to get noticed, someone obviously just doesn't fancy him. I think if he had got in England team he would have stayed

I said the day both of them signed it was a bad move for cricketing reasons and that I felt they were moving for reasons other than cricket anyway.

I stand by that.

Great point on captaincy too, think there's sense in that.

Regarding Stoneman and England - again the argument has been made, but he would've been picked for England last year anyway if he'd have done what Jennings did. Only man to blame for not being picked is himself - granted he may have an enhanced chance at Surrey due to the geography and the politics of county cricket - but for me last season he regressed. I expected it to be a real breakout season for him, he preached about making big hundreds instead of flashy 70's but they didn't materialise.
 
My heart's bleeding for Surrey and Yorkshire mind.... Do we not have Hants fan snarl ? :eek:
Good. I don't expect sympathy. I've been on here a couple of years now, because it's the best and busiest cricket forum around. Not here to shove Yorkshire's problems down your throats and never have been. When threads appear that allow me to discuss Yorkshire, like this one, I will happily take the opportunity to do it.
 
I said the day both of them signed it was a bad move for cricketing reasons and that I felt they were moving for reasons other than cricket anyway.

I stand by that.

Great point on captaincy too, think there's sense in that.

Regarding Stoneman and England - again the argument has been made, but he would've been picked for England last year anyway if he'd have done what Jennings did. Only man to blame for not being picked is himself - granted he may have an enhanced chance at Surrey due to the geography and the politics of county cricket - but for me last season he regressed. I expected it to be a real breakout season for him, he preached about making big hundreds instead of flashy 70's but they didn't materialise.
To be fair, Rocky has been phenomenal for us. Without Kumar being in the sort of form only read about in comic books and our two openers, no doubt we'd be where Warwickshire are now.

Good. I don't expect sympathy. I've been on here a couple of years now, because it's the best and busiest cricket forum around. Not here to shove Yorkshire's problems down your throats and never have been. When threads appear that allow me to discuss Yorkshire, like this one, I will happily take the opportunity to do it.
Seconded, from a Surrey perspective.

I'll post about our problems on the relevant thread, and my thoughts whenever Surrey are mentioned in a different subject, but I'm just here for a bit of general cricket chat and debate
Good. I don't expect sympathy. I've been on here a couple of years now, because it's the best and busiest cricket forum around. Not here to shove Yorkshire's problems down your throats and never have been. When threads appear that allow me to discuss Yorkshire, like this one, I will happily take the opportunity to do it.
Seconded, from a Surrey perspective.

I'll post about our problems on the relevant thread, and my thoughts whenever Surrey are mentioned in a different subject, but I'm just here for a bit of general cricket chat and debate
 
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Good. I don't expect sympathy. I've been on here a couple of years now, because it's the best and busiest cricket forum around. Not here to shove Yorkshire's problems down your throats and never have been. When threads appear that allow me to discuss Yorkshire, like this one, I will happily take the opportunity to do it.
Only kidding man, I know you're both hurting...... I would draw the line at a Hants fan though !
 
Slippery slope

Honestly no bitterness in this post, I honestly think for cricketing reasons but was a bad move

He was our number 1 spinner in all formats, 2nd slip, our main bat. I'm sure captaincy would have followed

So for cricketing reasons I don't get it. But he's a young lad with a big pay rise moving to London. It'll be class lifestyle

I reckon they will be back at some point

If you look at the lads who have had chances, Rocky should have least been in a squad or touring party. He only got his first call up to lions this year!

It's a shame he feels he needs to go to surrey to get noticed, someone obviously just doesn't fancy him. I think if he had got in England team he would have stayed
Always said if Borthwick actually cared about his spin bowling he would've went to Lancs or Notts.

Borthwick fails again...:rolleyes:
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Another decent score for Rocky

Really annoys me, keep seeing in all the papers "but management have doubts about Stoneman at international level"

What and they didn't about absolute garbage like Dawson, Malan and Vince. Who were picked by Bayliss on 20/20 form
 
Always said if Borthwick actually cared about his spin bowling he would've went to Lancs or Notts.


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In terms of his bowling, the fact that when he plays we used 19 year old Virdi over him says a lot.

At Taunton he only bowled 4 overs (and got a wicket by virtue of a rank long hop) and it says it all that Dom Sibley would be thrown the ball more often than Borthwick before he left.

I really don't wanna make it seem like I'm anxious to put the lad down, I had a chat with him at a Gareth Batty testimonial night at the start of the season and he seems a nice lad and I want anyone who plays for us to succeed, but he has genuinely been awful.
 
In terms of his bowling, the fact that when he plays we used 19 year old Virdi over him says a lot.

At Taunton he only bowled 4 overs (and got a wicket by virtue of a rank long hop) and it says it all that Dom Sibley would be thrown the ball more often than Borthwick before he left.

I really don't wanna make it seem like I'm anxious to put the lad down, I had a chat with him at a Gareth Batty testimonial night at the start of the season and he seems a nice lad and I want anyone who plays for us to succeed, but he has genuinely been awful.

So can we sort it out? You speak to Stewy, I'll fire an email to Beefy - Borthwick back to Durham for £18 a Nana Borthwick plate mince pie and a litre of mushy peas??

Rematch today on Sky. Pietersen already talking shite. Roy in the Test side FFS :lol:

Loved him as a batsman, hate when he opens his mouth. Shite.
 
So can we sort it out? You speak to Stewy, I'll fire an email to Beefy - Borthwick back to Durham for £18 a Nana Borthwick plate mince pie and a litre of mushy peas??



Loved him as a batsman, hate when he opens his mouth. Shite.
I'll cover the train fare mate!:D
 
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