Tin Soldier
Striker
Can we get up to 100 pages of utter waffle about the great unwashed and Benitez hasn't even got as far as packing a pair of socks in his leaving case ? 
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Benitez Future In Doubt Over Failure to Secure Key Signings
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Didn't happen, nobody would snub 'Rafa the Gaffa'.
That was the first thing i though of like
reginald_molehusband
Winger
And?
This isnt a computer game finances are much more complex.
You kept a premier league wage bill while adding to it in the championship. You didnt have relegation clauses. So youll find 30m profit may have be in fact 15m profit once wages and agent fees are taken into account.
You spent 70m the season you went down. You still have players like De Jong picking up hefty wages. It isnt a case of we made 30m profit
You generate around 130m last prem season. Your wage bill is around 70m then you have transfers you are still paying for past players and additional signings you may make.
You spent 50m last summer you will be paying installments for players this summer for Ritchie Gayle and Shelvey. So it isnt a case of you made 30m you dont know that. What the sccounts show is in fact your net debt keeps increasing and will increase again with the 30m Ashley borrowed last jan.
We didn't though, in my opinion. Something like 25 players left in July/August 2016, either sold, loaned out or released.....only 13 came in the other way. Of the players who left, most were our highest earners (Coloccini, Cisse, Cabella, Townesend, Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Janmaat, Taylor etc.) with only really a few big earners left at the club (Mitrovic, Shelvey). Of the players that came in, a couple would have been on decent money (Gayle, Ritchie) but the rest (Hanley, Murphy etc.) would be on nowhere near what the players who left were. I'd be very surprised if our 16/17 wage bill was anywhere near our 15/16 one.
It's all guess work on both our parts until the accounts are published of course.
The Situation
Striker
Future "in serious doubt" according to Martin Hardy, who recently wrote a book about Benitez, in today's Independent:
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Banks
Striker
Krul
Elliot
Dummet
Yedlin
Mbemba
Clark
Anita
Colback
Shelvey
Ritchie
Diame
Perez
Atsu
Goufrann
Mitrovic
Perez
Gayle
All on premier league wages so your wage bill will still be too high.
G Force
Striker
Expecting? Which teams are you currently better than. I can think of 2.
Wouldn't be surprised to see you finish around 15th, but why do you 'expect' to finish outside the drop zone at the minute. Not 'hoping', but 'expecting'.
Because he is an arsehole?
Love the way he finished it off with losing their league championship winning manager
It's looking dodgy like
The Fish
Winger
because I think that we'll finish above three teams. I think there'll be at least one of the promoted sides below us, if not both of them. I think that the other place(s) could be taken by any of a few teams in the top flight. Someone in the Premier League will have a difficult season, a key signing flops, a key player gets injured, they overachieved last season? Dunno, but there's a few teams in the PL that weren't a great deal better than Hull, Boro and yourselves. I think we'll sign some players to address key areas before the window shuts and I have faith in the manager to get more out of the group than simply the sum of their parts.
geordiedean
Striker
As it stands we are certs for the drop imo. We need around 4 or 5 new players in. If Dummet,Colback,Mitrovic and Lascelles get serious game time we will struggle like fuck
The premier league is a f***ing farce for 13 of the teams anyway. No hope, so far behind the rest it's unreal. The whole Leicester thing was an absolute freak sporting occurrence that happens once in a blue moon and we all know it
If you come up it will just be the same shit, makes you wonder what is the point in even trying to compete. It's like these teams in F1 that end up being lapped after a quarter of the race
reginald_molehusband
Winger
Anita has left, Gouffran is out of contract. The likes of Elliott and Dummett are earning peanuts and of the others, none were earning the big money (£70k plus) the likes of Colocinni, Cisse etc were earning.
We'll see, but I'd be very surprised if our 16/17 wage bill is anywhere near what it was the previous year.
The Fish
Winger
I wonder if the players out on loan had their wages paid for by the loaning club, or a portion of it at least? That would dramatically reduce our wage bill too, right? Krul, Saivet, Riviere, De Jong, Toney, Armstrong, and so on
knitting away
Striker
I just think its the sheer numbers that are in the squad that is your problem. I am sure that you could afford to add a few players in but the club is run as a business and that is not how it works. Its clear that there are players who need to leave. That will also to an extent determine the budget. So what is happening is what should be happening. I dont see what all the fuss is about and why Benitez is getting his knickers in a twist.
Wearside Wanderer II
Striker
He's off
knitting away
Striker
How many of them are back and still under contract with no prospect of being sold?
G Force
Striker
Crediting Benitez with "Profit"? Really?
How much credit should he get that the club received over £70m on Sissoko, Wijnaldum & Townsend. The transfer net is kind to Benitez simply due to those 3 big sales, yet he went and spent £57m on transfer fees alone and is still left with a squad short on premiership quality. He then demanded more back in Jan, and threw his toys out of the pram when more funds weren't delivered. A similar pattern seems to be emerging again.
Offset the net spend too, with the fact Benitez helped take Newcastle down. He failed in his original remit of "saving them". 10 points in his opening 9 games, and bang. Relegated. Those 9 games included the 3 relegation rivals, in which he failed to beat any of them. 1 point adrift of us with a game in hand, and the easier run in. He failed, despite the adoration after that meaningless Spurs victory.
He's a decent manager, but the hysteria over him is f***ing hilarious. I genuinely wouldn't want him anywhere Sunderland
The Fish
Winger
None.
Not one player has zero prospect of being sold. That would be absurd. And you're shifting the goal posts, my post was referring to last season when it was claimed our wage bill was X and I was merely asking whether those players out on loan had had their wages paid by the loaning club. If that was the case it's fair to say our wage bill was less than X.
We've been over these points. A lot.
G Force
Striker
The Fish
Winger
And none of my comments are disputable. Just fact
The last one is certainly disputable and not at fact, but an opinion.
The others fall short under scrutiny as the broader picture explains much of the criticism your level at Benitez and Newcastle is little more than partisan bias.
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