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It seems a lot agree that this is the way to go for us given that we have limited funds and our recruitment in the past has been a disaster even as recently as Moyes and Bain.

Schwarz is the logical choice given his coaching background (Valencia, Helsingborg and Sweden U21's) therefore has a good knowledge of European and youth football, speaks numerous languages which is important given the diverse make up of squads.

He wants the job and if he was a success I'm not so sure he would see it merely as a stepping stone.

Stability works both ways.
 

BumbleBee said:
It seems a lot agree that this is the way to go for us given that we have limited funds and our recruitment in the past has been a disaster even as recently as Moyes and Bain.

Schwarz is the logical choice given his coaching background (Valencia, Helsingborg and Sweden U21's) therefore has a good knowledge of European and youth football, speaks numerous languages which is important given the diverse make up of squads.

He wants the job and if he was a success I'm not so sure he would see it merely as a stepping stone.

Stability works both ways.
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I agree. common sense posting, this may become a habit mind.
 
BumbleBee said:
It seems a lot agree that this is the way to go for us given that we have limited funds and our recruitment in the past has been a disaster even as recently as Moyes and Bain.

Schwarz is the logical choice given his coaching background (Valencia, Helsingborg and Sweden U21's) therefore has a good knowledge of European and youth football, speaks numerous languages which is important given the diverse make up of squads.

He wants the job and if he was a success I'm not so sure he would see it merely as a stepping stone.

Stability works both ways.
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You mean he has a good knowledge of Swedish football.
 
It seems so obvious that this is the best route for clubs our size. All it really takes is a couple of players you've brought through to have a good season and you can cash in for £40m upwards.
 
chriswallace85 said:
You mean he has a good knowledge of Swedish football.
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If you ignore Valencia which isn't in Sweden and all of this;

Hans-Jürgen Stefan Schwarz (born 18 April 1969), known as Stefan Schwarz, is a Swedish football manager and a retired
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from 1987 until 2003, notably playing in the top flight of a number of European clubs.

As well as earning 69 caps, scoring 6 times for
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and starting his career with , he played in the English for and , the German for , Italian for , Spanish for and in for .

That is top level.
 
BumbleBee said:
It seems a lot agree that this is the way to go for us given that we have limited funds and our recruitment in the past has been a disaster even as recently as Moyes and Bain.

Schwarz is the logical choice given his coaching background (Valencia, Helsingborg and Sweden U21's) therefore has a good knowledge of European and youth football, speaks numerous languages which is important given the diverse make up of squads.

He wants the job and if he was a success I'm not so sure he would see it merely as a stepping stone.

Stability works both ways.
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This is a cheeky little thread mind, I was hoping it was going to be a break from manager speak but no, you've lulled me in under false pretences
 
BumbleBee said:
If you ignore Valencia which isn't in Sweden and all of this;

Hans-Jürgen Stefan Schwarz (born 18 April 1969), known as Stefan Schwarz, is a Swedish football manager and a retired
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who played as a
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from 1987 until 2003, notably playing in the top flight of a number of European clubs.

As well as earning 69 caps, scoring 6 times for
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and starting his career with , he played in the English for and , the German for , Italian for , Spanish for and in for .

That is top level.
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Yep, good knowledge of top clubs and European football to 2003 could be invaluable.
 
From what I have read, the Manchester clubs and the rest of the big boys are hoovering up all the best young players. It means everyone else is left with the dregs and makes this model much harder
 
MrBraithwaite said:
From what I have read, the Manchester clubs and the rest of the big boys are hoovering up all the best young players. It means everyone else is left with the dregs and makes this model much harder
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Chelsea have a crazy amount of players out on loan, can't remember the figure off the top of my head. Seems like the authorities need to put some kind of loan cap in place.
 
I'm not sure how much influence the first team manager has on youth development. The first team manager should only play youth if they are good enough, and most of the 'becoming good enough' comes from the player's natural ability, with the rest coming from coaching etc, coaching that is done at academy level.
 
MrBraithwaite said:
The way football has turned out certainly has me questioning Libertarianism!
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The greed always rises to the top

Jabbo said:
I'm not sure how much influence the first team manager has on youth development. The first team manager should only play youth if they are good enough, and most of the 'becoming good enough' comes from the player's natural ability, with the rest coming from coaching etc, coaching that is done at academy level.
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It's more about implementing the right style and environment for young players to join the first team I think, give them a platform to showcase their talent.
 
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MrBraithwaite said:
From what I have read, the Manchester clubs and the rest of the big boys are hoovering up all the best young players. It means everyone else is left with the dregs and makes this model much harder
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This is becoming a massive problem in the game, the 10 ten European clubs are taking 90% of best young talent, then they farm them out on loan and make even more money fir themselves, all the while UEFA sit back and watch it happen. It wrong and it's slowly killing the game...
 
MrBraithwaite said:
From what I have read, the Manchester clubs and the rest of the big boys are hoovering up all the best young players. It means everyone else is left with the dregs and makes this model much harder
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Nah you just let the big boys bring them through the early stages and pick them off at 15, 18 and whatever other break points there are. That's how we picked up Maja and there were two mystery triallists who ran a u18 game for us a month or so ago.
 
I agree but the age is vital.

Once they've got to 21 they are starting to command big fees as they are starting to get more consistent.

At 17 it's a risk they won't make it at all.

Somewhere in between is the balance but not ideal for a promotion push or premier league survival as they are still inconsistent.
 
BumbleBee said:
If you ignore Valencia which isn't in Sweden and all of this;

Hans-Jürgen Stefan Schwarz (born 18 April 1969), known as Stefan Schwarz, is a Swedish football manager and a retired
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who played as a
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from 1987 until 2003, notably playing in the top flight of a number of European clubs.

As well as earning 69 caps, scoring 6 times for
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and starting his career with , he played in the English for and , the German for , Italian for , Spanish for and in for .

That is top level.
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You were referring to his coaching background though.
 
We've nivver managed to this in the 50yrs I've been suffering us so how on earth are we suddenly gonna start at the click of a finger? Are we suddenly gonna discover a rich seam of young players unknown by the mega clubs or are we gonna coach average kids into mega stars?
It's a fuckin pipe dream.
 
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