Three Girls - BBC1 - Rochdale abuse dramatisation

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ThePistols said:
There are white grooming gangs but usually they have to meet online or in prison, for me thats the big difference, it appears to be far more acceptable among a certain religion/culture.
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That is a valid point but a group people of getting together and grooming then abusing kids is still a grooming gang by my definition.
 
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Pop said:
On a very basic level yes but motives/causes can be wildly different.
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I never suggested they weren't. The last few pages of daft arguments just come from WHD disagreeing with my comment that there are white grooming gangs. I believe there is he believes there are none.
 
Burt84 said:
I never suggested they weren't. The last few pages of daft arguments just come from WHD disagreeing with my comment that there are white grooming gangs. I believe there is he believes there are none.
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I don't doubt there are white paedo gangs, just not "grooming gangs" as portrayed by this programme, that all come from the same community, all already know each other and get young girls under their influence by first giving them drink/food etc and then in turn controlling them by fear.
 
WHD said:
I said it's possible he might not be impartial.

I look at the evidence and conclude that a crime of this MO is definitely a linked to culture.
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He's one of the few heroes of this story. He overturned years of complacency and drove these prosecutions into court.
 
dangermows said:
Bizarre how people found it so hard viewing they couldn't watch. Aye the subject matter is a bit grim but it's a TV drama about things we are already well aware of and featured nothing graphic.
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Anar. What kind of fanny "can't watch" a non-graphic tv programme?
 
WHD said:
I don't doubt there are white paedo gangs, just not "grooming gangs" as portrayed by this programme, that all come from the same community, all already know each other and get young girls under their influence by first giving them drink/food etc and then in turn controlling them by fear.
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Well I would agree the methods used by the Asian gangs is different.
 
janiep said:
He's one of the few heroes of this story. He overturned years of complacency and drove these prosecutions into court.
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Good on him then.

I don't agree with his claim about there being no religious/cultural links though. You would have to be blind not to see it, dozens of these gangs from different towns around the country all carrying out remarkably similar crimes, all from the same background, but he claims there is no link to that background? Hmmm.
 
swampy said:
Worked in Bradford. Did see this happen. Mind you it was in the red light area behind the pub!!

As for elsewhere in Bradford including the areas where students resided got to say the term constant is being abused here & any harassment of young females cut across all cultures if anything

Used to hear quite a lot of stories about Bradford vast majority of which were untrue & usually sprouted by someone who had never been there & had heard it from someone else.
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I know several older Asian men and can confirm they all have an unhealthy interest in teenage girls. Nothing underage or illegal necessarily, but they don't seem to see it as remotely inappropriate.
 
WHD said:
Good on him then.

I don't agree with his claim about there being no religious/cultural links though. You would have to be blind not to see it, dozens of these gangs from different towns around the country all carrying out remarkably similar crimes, all from the same background, but he claims there is no link to that background? Hmmm.
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He called it absolutely right. He said these were crimes against children of the worst kind and must be prosecuted. He called bullshit on any so -called politically correct "sensitivities" about the ethnicity of the offenders, not least because he has the same ethnic and cultural background himself. He was colour blind.
 
janiep said:
He called it absolutely right. He said these were crimes against children of the worst kind and must be prosecuted. He called bullshit on any so -called politically correct "sensitivities" about the ethnicity of the offenders, not least because he has the same ethnic and cultural background himself. He was colour blind.
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That statement is completely at odds with the Jay report or are you saying he has called bullshit on people saying he has politically correct sensitivities?
 
Pop said:
That statement is completely at odds with the Jay report or are you saying he has called bullshit on people saying he has politically correct sensitivities?
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Can you link me to the bit of the Jay report you're referring to?

I was referring to this:

One of his first decisions on becoming a chief crown prosecutor was to initiate prosecutions in the case of the Rochdale sex trafficking gang, overturning an earlier decision by the CPS. He suggested that "white professionals' over-sensitivity to political correctness and fear of appearing racist may well have contributed to justice being stalled".[5] He said "I do feel that there’s a deficit of leadership in some parts of the Muslim community. They could be much more challenging of certain behaviours".[10] He attributed the attacks to "evil men", saying that the key driver was "male power".[10]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Afzal

He called out white liberals and parts of the Muslim community, saw blame where it was properly due.
 
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Pop said:
The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
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OK ta, see my edited post above re Nazir Afzal - he wasn't part of that original "bury it" complacency, he got involved later and kicked that into touch.
 
janiep said:
OK ta, see my edited post above re Nazir Afzal - he wasn't part of that original "bury it" complacency, he got involved later and kicked that into touch.
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Okay but your point that I originally quoted inferred that there wasn't a "bury it" complacency from people involved for fear of upsetting minority communities when there most definitely was. The people in the police and social services who allowed this to happen should be in prison.
 
Pop said:
Okay but your point that I originally quoted inferred that there wasn't a "bury it" complacency from people involved for fear of upsetting minority communities when there most definitely was. The people in the police and social services who allowed this to happen should be in prison.
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Sorry I didn't mean to imply that, there absolutely was that complacency and I 100% agree with your post. Those people - police, social services - took the piss on the public purse. Can't tell you how angry it makes me. My point about Afzal was that he called this out for what it was, and also blamed parts of the Muslim community too.
 
janiep said:
He called it absolutely right. He said these were crimes against children of the worst kind and must be prosecuted. He called bullshit on any so -called politically correct "sensitivities" about the ethnicity of the offenders, not least because he has the same ethnic and cultural background himself. He was colour blind.
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So you categorically believe there is no link to these crimes and the offenders culture?
 
janiep said:
Sorry I didn't mean to imply that, there absolutely was that complacency and I 100% agree with your post. Those people - police, social services - took the piss on the public purse. Can't tell you how angry it makes me. My point about Afzal was that he called this out for what it was, and also blamed parts of the Muslim community too.
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All we can hope is that lessons have been learned from it.
 
WHD said:
So you categorically believe there is no link to these crimes and the offenders culture?
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You're seeing what you selectively want to see. Re-read my posts e.g. no 85, and my praise of Afzal for addressing the cultural point head on.
 
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