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UTW said:
It is worse than what Johnson did.

Are you too thick to realise there is different levels of each crime. Your category of "child abusers" would include Adam Johnson and Ian Watkins. There's a clear difference
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You're the one that's stated that all drink driving is vile and worse than child abuse. Not sure why you're no bringing 'levels' into it, you didn't before.
 
Sima said:
You're the one that's stated that all drink driving is vile and worse than child abuse. Not sure why you're no bringing 'levels' into it?
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Show me where I've said that? You've already pointed out that I said drink driving is worse than what Johnson did.
 
Sima said:
Why not? I'd say that while under the influence of alcohol McCormick, Hughes or Alonso didn't get into the car with the intention of killing someone just as someone who gets into a drunken fight with a stranger has no intention of killing them should that happen.



I'm not getting into ranking crimes but my point was that those crimes weren't premeditated whereas Johnson's was.
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Because they got into a car fully knowing it was wrong

A fight tends to be emotion driven
 
dangermows said:
Strange reason.
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Do you think? Its tribalism. Anyone normal wouldn't be supporting Adam Johnson in any way, shape or from but the nature of some football fans is that they set different standards for their own players. For example i don't think there would be a single Sunderland supporter defending Johnson or stating that he had been treat harshly if he had never played for our club. Newcastle fans know this and exploit it for point scoring reasons. I've no doubt it would be the same if it was the other way around.

In short, it's your fault ;)
 
rentaghost said:
Do you think? Its tribalism. Anyone normal wouldn't be supporting Adam Johnson in any way, shape or from but the nature of some football fans is that they set different standards for their own players. For example i don't think there would be a single Sunderland supporter defending Johnson or stating that he had been treat harshly if he had never played for our club. Newcastle fans know this and exploit it for point scoring reasons. I've no doubt it would be the same if it was the other way around.

In short, it's your fault ;)
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If a nobody gets say ten years for poking a fifteen year old I'd rightly point out how many others, usually females, have got much less for much worse. That can't even be disputed as it's a fact.

That's not sticking up for that person either tbf, it's highlighting how they've been treated harshly in comparison.

You're right though, mags are all over it because he played for Sunderland.
 
Sima said:
I'd argue that if you're pissed up you don't know right from wrong tbf, that's the reason why you do it in the first place.
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you're spot on like. if youre smashed and get in your car with the intention of driving home, then you have zero intention of knocking someone over and killing them.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Getting behind a wheel is wrong no matter how pissed
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I agree but you're saying that at 3 in the afternoon and sober (I think).

Also people (myself included in the past) don't really take into account how pissed you still probably are driving to work the morning after a night out.
 
Sima said:
I agree but you're saying that at 3 in the afternoon and sober (I think).

Also people (myself included in the past) don't really take into account how pissed you still probably are driving to work the morning after a night out.
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I'm off work today so have had 3 pints. I don't even drink on 1 these days. It's inexcusable. And everyone knows it

I agree with the second point.
 
UTW said:
Subjective? Lives were lost ffs
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Indeed they were, but you cannot compare one crime to another and deem one to be "worse" than the other. Each has to be looked at in isolation. I'm not going to get into that debate, but Johnson knew what he was doing and did so with a clear and sober mind conducting a willful act against a minor.
 
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