Been out with a mag mate...

[Idlewild Mackem]

Our current squad right at this moment is better than yours and IMO would be capable of surviving in the premier league, I would only take about 4-5 of your players and not all 5 would start either.

Next season if and when we go up, we will invest and Rafa will have us more than just surviving also IMO.

Nobody is talking European spots yet but if I had to predict I'd say a comfortable first season back in the top flight.

Yous really are a f***ing beautiful gift.

 

[Reiver]

Our current squad right at this moment is better than yours and IMO would be capable of surviving in the premier league, I would only take about 4-5 of your players and not all 5 would start either.

Next season if and when we go up, we will invest and Rafa will have us more than just surviving also IMO.

Nobody is talking European spots yet but if I had to predict I'd say a comfortable first season back in the top flight.

Your squad last season was better and we relegated you ..... under Benitez

 

[HeaderDownBrown]

Our current squad right at this moment is better than yours and IMO would be capable of surviving in the premier league, I would only take about 4-5 of your players and not all 5 would start either.

Next season if and when we go up, we will invest and Rafa will have us more than just surviving also IMO.

Nobody is talking European spots yet but if I had to predict I'd say a comfortable first season back in the top flight.

Honestly you lot man. You're in the CHAMPIONSHIP! You have so many average players, yes a few decent players who will/have done well in the Premier league but a better squad than us?? No chance.

 

[What A Waster]

If Watford and Bournemouth amd their squads can come up and survive easily enough, I'm sure this Newcastle squad is capable of the same feat, especially with a few quality additions.

Burnley are comfortable in mid table at the minute with Sean Dyche in charge. Not sure which Burnley players if any are better than Newcastle's, but Benitez is a better manager than Dyche, and Newcastle managed by Benitez would certainly be more attractive to potential signings than Burnley.

 

[Deleted member 7735]

Not sure I completely agree with the point of view that he took them down so he must be shit

He averaged 1.3 points per game for the 10 games he was in charge of them in the premiership, to put that into perspective, that works out 49 points over a full season of 38 games, or 11th place. I know it doesn't work like that, but it was an obvious improvement from McClaren, of course he ultimately failed to keep them up, but does anyone really think that was Rafa's fault? They were shite long before Rafa took over

He's a quality manager who has won titles all over the world and I'd have him here in a heartbeat

Reserve squad with mackem in username, praising the mags and having his post liked by mags.
Another mag gonk pretending to be a Sunderland fan. Odd man.

 

[Deleted member 6830]

Not sure I completely agree with the point of view that he took them down so he must be shit

He averaged 1.3 points per game for the 10 games he was in charge of them in the premiership, to put that into perspective, that works out 49 points over a full season of 38 games, or 11th place. I know it doesn't work like that, but it was an obvious improvement from McClaren, of course he ultimately failed to keep them up, but does anyone really think that was Rafa's fault? They were shite long before Rafa took over

He's a quality manager who has won titles all over the world and I'd have him here in a heartbeat

He got points against teams on the beach man. Spurs were "gone" when they played the last game. Edged past Swansea and CP missed a penna.
He's a good manager, but genius ? Naah not in my opinion he isn't.

Totally agree mate this was where it was won and lost for all 3 teams Big Sam knew this and we took 4 from 6 which ultimately kept us up bearing in mind both our games were away

Exactly.
Beating teams on the beach with the quality they had was no great feat.
They defo won't struggle next season in the PL tho

 

[The Fish]

We can be responsible for RELEGATING YOU, as well as Rafa being responsible for f***ing up, you know?

Also you can now assemble an expensive squad (overpaying to ensure you get the players etc) as well as the majority not being good enough to make it in the PL.

I'm not sure you're in a place to talk about overpaying for players.

Every man and his dog outside Wearside said that Rafa would need time to turn the ship around after McClaren and his predecessors had steered it so far off course. It was obvious to every man and his dog outside of the Sunderland fanbase that we were better under Rafa in those 9 games than we were under McClaren for the other 28. It's obvious that Rafa Benitez is a good manager and one that can build a legacy (in as much as any modern manager can) that will be stronger than that which came before, obvious to all those who don't support the Black Cats it seems.

The myopic view from a few posters on here is startling. I get local rivalry, and feel it too, but I can say Defoe is a good striker without fearing the Newcastle fanbase will ostracise me, I can say that your club should be aiming for more than mere survival each season without coming out in hives... Honestly, the wilful misrepresentation of reality, by a few, to satisfy some kind of partisan criteria is bonkers.

He got points against teams on the beach man. Spurs were "gone" when they played the last game. Edged past Swansea and CP missed a penna.
He's a good manager, but genius ? Naah not in my opinion he isn't.


Exactly.
Beating teams on the beach with the quality they had was no great feat.
They defo won't struggle next season in the PL tho

Just a point of order, Stoke, Chelsea, Everton and Watford were also on the beach, doesn't mean the points you won are invalid.

 

[Deleted member 29136]

I'm not sure you're in a place to talk about overpaying for players.

Every man and his dog outside Wearside said that Rafa would need time to turn the ship around after McClaren and his predecessors had steered it so far off course. It was obvious to every man and his dog outside of the Sunderland fanbase that we were better under Rafa in those 9 games than we were under McClaren for the other 28. It's obvious that Rafa Benitez is a good manager and one that can build a legacy (in as much as any modern manager can) that will be stronger than that which came before, obvious to all those who don't support the Black Cats it seems.

The myopic view from a few posters on here is startling. I get local rivalry, and feel it too, but I can say Defoe is a good striker without fearing the Newcastle fanbase will ostracise me, I can say that your club should be aiming for more than mere survival each season without coming out in hives... Honestly, the wilful misrepresentation of reality, by a few, to satisfy some kind of partisan criteria is bonkers.


Just a point of order, Stoke, Chelsea, Everton and Watford were also on the beach, doesn't mean the points you won are invalid.

Rafa is a good manager with an impressive CV. However he failed at his task to keep you up. Advocaat and Di Canio had worse squads than you had and Rafa had more games.

Can you admit that he failed in his task to keep you up?

 

[What A Waster]

Rafa is a good manager with an impressive CV. However he failed at his task to keep you up. Advocaat and Di Canio had worse squads than you had and Rafa had more games.

Can you admit that he failed in his task to keep you up?

He failed to keep Newcastle up, but it's not as black and white as that (no pun intended). He failed at the big task required, but he's hardly at fault. Many Newcastle fans were resigned to being relegated long before Benitez arrived. Only being out the bottom 3 for 1 week all season had people expecting it long before it was confirmed.

 

[Deleted member 29136]

He failed to keep Newcastle up, but it's not as black and white as that (no pun intended). He failed at the big task required, but he's hardly at fault. Many Newcastle fans were resigned to being relegated long before Benitez arrived. Only being out the bottom 3 for 1 week all season had people expecting it long before it was confirmed.

Utter f***ing shite.

0-0 against villa says it all.

 

[The Fish]

Rafa is a good manager with an impressive CV. However he failed at his task to keep you up. Advocaat and Di Canio had worse squads than you had and Rafa had more games.

Can you admit that he failed in his task to keep you up?

I have never said otherwise.

Might be hard to believe, but when worded reasonably like that, no Newcastle fan would claim otherwise. Trouble is, the question/accusation if often "He's shit and took you down". Which doesn't reflect the whole picture and therefore will be argued against.

For example, how would you react if someone said that "You were mad to sack Poyet, because he kept you up!"? You'd widen the picture to explain that sacking him was the right thing, right?

 

[What A Waster]

Utter f***ing shite.

0-0 against villa says it all.

Only team not to beat Villa last season. Writing was on the wall long before Benitez came in. Sticking with McClaren after the chelsea hammering when there was a fortnight's gap (due to not being in the fa cup and then due to face whoever it was in the league cup final) in between games was a fatal mistake.
Meant McClaren went into the Bournemouth game ready to add another defeat to his list.

 

[Deleted member 29136]

I have never said otherwise.

Might be hard to believe, but when worded reasonably like that, no Newcastle fan would claim otherwise. Trouble is, the question/accusation if often "He's shit and took you down". Which doesn't reflect the whole picture and therefore will be argued against.

For example, how would you react if someone said that "You were mad to sack Poyet, because he kept you up!"? You'd widen the picture to explain that sacking him was the right thing, right?

Taking 6 points from you during Poyets season

I have never said otherwise.

Might be hard to believe, but when worded reasonably like that, no Newcastle fan would claim otherwise. Trouble is, the question/accusation if often "He's shit and took you down". Which doesn't reflect the whole picture and therefore will be argued against.

For example, how would you react if someone said that "You were mad to sack Poyet, because he kept you up!"? You'd widen the picture to explain that sacking him was the right thing, right?

As long as we both agree that Rafa failed last season.

Good lad.

 

[The Fish]

Taking 6 points from you during Poyets season


As long as we both agree that Rafa failed last season.

Good lad.

YAY INTERNET POINTS

You realise that grown ups don't discuss things in that way though, right? We try to argue our case, using logic and evidence until there is a mind changed or a compromise achieved?

 

[Deleted member 6830]

I'm not sure you're in a place to talk about overpaying for players.

Every man and his dog outside Wearside said that Rafa would need time to turn the ship around after McClaren and his predecessors had steered it so far off course. It was obvious to every man and his dog outside of the Sunderland fanbase that we were better under Rafa in those 9 games than we were under McClaren for the other 28. It's obvious that Rafa Benitez is a good manager and one that can build a legacy (in as much as any modern manager can) that will be stronger than that which came before, obvious to all those who don't support the Black Cats it seems.

The myopic view from a few posters on here is startling. I get local rivalry, and feel it too, but I can say Defoe is a good striker without fearing the Newcastle fanbase will ostracise me, I can say that your club should be aiming for more than mere survival each season without coming out in hives... Honestly, the wilful misrepresentation of reality, by a few, to satisfy some kind of partisan criteria is bonkers.


Just a point of order, Stoke, Chelsea, Everton and Watford were also on the beach, doesn't mean the points you won are invalid.

Absolutely, which is why I didn't buy that Allardyce was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

[What A Waster]

Absolutely, which is why I didn't buy that Allardyce was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Allardyce is absolutely rubbish, in 20 odd years of management he's had a 6th place finish and a league cup final. Law of averages says he'll have at least one good season, like Pardew and his fifth place finish. One of the greatest compliments people pay allardyce is that he's never been relegated. Well isn't that something to celebrate?

 

[The Fish]

Absolutely, which is why I didn't buy that Allardyce was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Fair, but you were delighted he joined, pleased with the changes he made and excited for the future under him, right? Just as we are with Rafa, who is clearly the best manager we've had since Robson. Any hyperbole is for effect, rather than accuracy.

Allardyce is absolutely rubbish, in 20 odd years of management he's had a 6th place finish and a league cup final. Law of averages says he'll have at least one good season, like Pardew and his fifth place finish. One of the greatest compliments people pay allardyce is that he's never been relegated. Well isn't that something to celebrate?

It's not true either.

 

[Mr.Thunders]

Is @The Fish Mad Ian's latest account?

 

[longtimelurker]

Allardyce is absolutely rubbish, in 20 odd years of management he's had a 6th place finish and a league cup final. Law of averages says he'll have at least one good season, like Pardew and his fifth place finish. One of the greatest compliments people pay allardyce is that he's never been relegated. Well isn't that something to celebrate?

It would be for your yo-yo club.

 

[robcal]

Not sure I completely agree with the point of view that he took them down so he must be shit

He averaged 1.3 points per game for the 10 games he was in charge of them in the premiership, to put that into perspective, that works out 49 points over a full season of 38 games, or 11th place. I know it doesn't work like that, but it was an obvious improvement from McClaren, of course he ultimately failed to keep them up, but does anyone really think that was Rafa's fault? They were shite long before Rafa took over

He's a quality manager who has won titles all over the world and I'd have him here in a heartbeat

Or, if you include the 9 matches he was in charge before he/we relegated them, they average 0.9 points, which would have had them finishing on 34 (going with Norwich and on less points than they did actually get.