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Rafael Benítez

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rentaghost said:
Haway man. One one hand Rafa gets loads of praise for the points at Liverpool and against City etc but his poor results are just flatbatted away as the players fault or its not his fault that we are 'shit away'. If you can thrash the pants off Spurs playing attacking, exciting football then you can go away to villa and do the same and would have done if you had a good go. You have every right to be delighted with the possible appointment of rafa but you can do that without making excuses for him on failing to win key games.
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I don't think I have. We were terrible under McClaren so Rafa had a massive task ahead of him and had to hit the ground running, his first 3 games coming against the table toppers, the local derby and against another relegation scrapping team

The 3 results that are put forward as evidence Rafa isn't any good are;
Sunderland - local derby, 2nd game in charge, creditable draw when it looked like we wouldn't get past a very resolute Allardyce team. Other, better teams failed to beat you and you became the form team in the relegation scrap, so a draw isn't the terrible result it's being made out to be. Especially as it's a local derby where we'd lost the previous 6!
Norwich - mental game where we were set up to attack and where our defensive frailties once again ruined any good works. Also our 3rd choice 'keeper was between the sticks.
Villa - By this fixture we should have been starting Mitrovic, but perhaps rafa was worried he'd get himself sent off? Dunno, but yeah this was a winnable game that we let slip by.

I don't think I'm "making excuses" I think I'm giving context. For example, Allardyce only finished 17th because he failed to beat Newcastle, West Brom and Crystal Palace and they were teams in terrible form when you faced them. However that ignores context. Allardyce saved sunderland from relegation and did so by drilling and organising rather than inspiring and bollocking and for that he deserves credit. Rafa should get credit for the results he managed to salvage from the trainwreck he was left and some criticism for not finishing off the game against Villa. But I'm not blaming him for getting only getting a draw against you, and I'm not blaming him for a mental game against Norwich where we lost with pretty much the final kick of the ball. Villa game is on him though.
 
The Fish said:
To my shame, I always confuse the US and correct spelling of that. :lol:


Yes, the squad that drew with Liverpool and beat Spurs.
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I know a spurs fan, he was warning me before the Everton game you would turn them over. He said they had lost the plot after the Chelsea game and their heads had gone, he also said arsenal would pip them to second, he wandered off muttering "fakking useless cants" Turns out he was right.
 
FIVE said:
Have a fuckin day off man......youre boring.
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Or you could just stop following me around ....... or put me on ignore ...... or start claiming I'm a Man City supporter again ....... or fuck off :lol:
 
shaun61 said:
Of course there is no guarantee, but you name me 2 teams that will keep them out of the automatic promotion slots.
Then name me another 4 teams that will keep them out of the play off slots.
The Chship is shite man - the play off games are proving this.
Look at who Hull had upfront - Hernandez and Elmo.
Brighton had Baldock and some lad on loan from Man Utd.
Derby had Martin and that Villa reject Weiman.
Sheff Wed had Hooper and Forestieri.
Feck me, if thats the standard, the scum or Villa could finish miles and miles ahead with record points totals.
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I can't right now because I have no idea at all who is definitely involved in the squads or management of teams at that level. Once things are more concrete over the summer I'd be happy to give an honest appraisal, including if I genuinely think they'll go back up. As is right now, they went down without much of a fight, have a manager with no experience at that level who hasn't committed to staying and players that struggled all season long.

If you make me guess now, I'd say they'll be alongside Norwich,Brighton, Derby, Ipswich, Birmingham, Cardiff and the play-off loser.
 
The Fish said:
I don't think I have. We were terrible under McClaren so Rafa had a massive task ahead of him and had to hit the ground running, his first 3 games coming against the table toppers, the local derby and against another relegation scrapping team

The 3 results that are put forward as evidence Rafa isn't any good are;
Sunderland - local derby, 2nd game in charge, creditable draw when it looked like we wouldn't get past a very resolute Allardyce team. Other, better teams failed to beat you and you became the form team in the relegation scrap, so a draw isn't the terrible result it's being made out to be. Especially as it's a local derby where we'd lost the previous 6!
Norwich - mental game where we were set up to attack and where our defensive frailties once again ruined any good works. Also our 3rd choice 'keeper was between the sticks.
Villa - By this fixture we should have been starting Mitrovic, but perhaps rafa was worried he'd get himself sent off? Dunno, but yeah this was a winnable game that we let slip by.

I don't think I'm "making excuses" I think I'm giving context. For example, Allardyce only finished 17th because he failed to beat Newcastle, West Brom and Crystal Palace and they were teams in terrible form when you faced them. However that ignores context. Allardyce saved sunderland from relegation and did so by drilling and organising rather than inspiring and bollocking and for that he deserves credit. Rafa should get credit for the results he managed to salvage from the trainwreck he was left and some criticism for not finishing off the game against Villa. But I'm not blaming him for getting only getting a draw against you, and I'm not blaming him for a mental game against Norwich where we lost with pretty much the final kick of the ball. Villa game is on him though.
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But Rafa is a hero, surely all sides bow to his greatness and simply hand over 3 points?
 
Idlewild Mackem said:
I can't right now because I have no idea at all who is definitely involved in the squads or management of teams at that level. Once things are more concrete over the summer I'd be happy to give an honest appraisal, including if I genuinely think they'll go back up. As is right now, they went down without much of a fight, have a manager with no experience at that level who hasn't committed to staying and players that struggled all season long.

If you make me guess now, I'd say they'll be alongside Norwich,Brighton, Derby, Ipswich, Birmingham, Cardiff and the play-off loser.
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see you in August;)
 
Reiver said:
Or you could just stop following me around ....... or put me on ignore ...... or start claiming I'm a Man City supporter again ....... or fuck off :lol:
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Silly little Diva....making things up again. Funny little lie caught in your teeth like a 'lil puppy with a bone.
 
The Fish said:
I don't think I have. We were terrible under McClaren so Rafa had a massive task ahead of him and had to hit the ground running, his first 3 games coming against the table toppers, the local derby and against another relegation scrapping team

The 3 results that are put forward as evidence Rafa isn't any good are;
Sunderland - local derby, 2nd game in charge, creditable draw when it looked like we wouldn't get past a very resolute Allardyce team. Other, better teams failed to beat you and you became the form team in the relegation scrap, so a draw isn't the terrible result it's being made out to be. Especially as it's a local derby where we'd lost the previous 6!
Norwich - mental game where we were set up to attack and where our defensive frailties once again ruined any good works. Also our 3rd choice 'keeper was between the sticks.
Villa - By this fixture we should have been starting Mitrovic, but perhaps rafa was worried he'd get himself sent off? Dunno, but yeah this was a winnable game that we let slip by.

I don't think I'm "making excuses" I think I'm giving context. For example, Allardyce only finished 17th because he failed to beat Newcastle, West Brom and Crystal Palace and they were teams in terrible form when you faced them. However that ignores context. Allardyce saved sunderland from relegation and did so by drilling and organising rather than inspiring and bollocking and for that he deserves credit. Rafa should get credit for the results he managed to salvage from the trainwreck he was left and some criticism for not finishing off the game against Villa. But I'm not blaming him for getting only getting a draw against you, and I'm not blaming him for a mental game against Norwich where we lost with pretty much the final kick of the ball. Villa game is on him though.
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Oi Fucknut, in case you are unaware your shitehawks got relegated, it's not a messiah you scumbags need it is a f***ing shedload of them
 
Reiver said:
You've been trying to get that to catch on for a fortnight now :lol:

You're starting to make yersel look daft now with this stalking.
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Silly Diva.....why do you bore everyone with your pedantic posts? Put the bone down bonny lad and live life instead of just existing to annoy posters.
 
FIVE said:
Silly Diva.....why do you bore everyone with your pedantic posts? Put the bone down bonny lad and live life instead of just existing to annoy posters.
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Thank you, I didn't realise I was talking to the everyone's spokesman ......... now, is that all or will you just carry on?
 
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