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Jermaine Defoe - Poorest signing in recent memory

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Stop apologising to these arseholes. They are only experts in hindsight and even then just because he's popped up with a goal doesn't mean they are right or you are wrong. If Defoe had left in the window they one thing you could guarantee about this place is the same half wits would be calling him worse than shite.

Eh? Posters were saying from the day we signed him that he was a quality signing. The fact he has 13 goals in a very poor team this season hasn't come as a surprise to many of us. If he'd left in the window I'd have called the club worse than shite for not keeping him.
 

But why would that mean we function better as a team just because there's a traditional big/lone striker up there? He may hold the ball up, but then Defoe can on occasions too. He may battle with defenders, but unless he has support it could be just as much as a struggle. Would he score goals though? How long does the functioning as a team last if it's not scoring goals like Defoe does and confidence wanes?

Allardyce has already brought one in now, have you ever heard of variation? Given what we've got in wide areas there's absolutely no reason why we cannot play as a counter attacking side with Defoe at the head of it and I've been repeating that since we signed Defoe.

Your point even when elaborated on is not much better tbf.
There's no point at all having a big Heskeyesque lone striker if you haven't got runners piling in from midfield to give him something to lay the ball off to.

We'd end up doing what we have done whenever we had the likes of Gray, Kyle, etc. which is to lump it up to the poor sod then groan when it inevitably gets mopped up by the 2 central defenders marking him and back it comes with sugar on
 
Stop apologising to these arseholes. They are only experts in hindsight and even then just because he's popped up with a goal doesn't mean they are right or you are wrong. If Defoe had left in the window they one thing you could guarantee about this place is the same half wits would be calling him worse than shite.
"Do you, Draper Simpleton, take this man, Morny Bunglecunt, to be your wedded husband?"
And they lived happily ever after.
 
Eh? Posters were saying from the day we signed him that he was a quality signing. The fact he has 13 goals in a very poor team this season hasn't come as a surprise to many of us. If he'd left in the window I'd have called the club worse than shite for not keeping him.
You can't argue with that knacker, he's just a... well a knacker.
 
Here's an argument. In 2016, only Sergio Aguero has scored more goals than Defoe. In the entire league. And we're second bottom of said league.

If this thread hasn't been one massive trolling session then you sir are the biggest hoofwanking bunglecunt that ever posted on t'internet. Which given the competition is some going.
:lol::lol: I think I may use that sometime when apt.:lol:
 
For me he's the best natural striker we've had since SKP.

doesn't have the elite straightline speed he once had as a younger player...

But his lateral quickness is still every bit as good and his runs are top drawer.

Facing the goal in the final third, he's still an absolute handful. Hoping this Khazri lad can thread some magic to him with a bit more training and match experience together.

f***ing hate watching him try and wrangle for scraps on hoofballs... it's maddening like.
 
But why would that mean we function better as a team just because there's a traditional big/lone striker up there? He may hold the ball up, but then Defoe can on occasions too. He may battle with defenders, but unless he has support it could be just as much as a struggle. Would he score goals though? How long does the functioning as a team last if it's not scoring goals like Defoe does and confidence wanes?

Allardyce has already brought one in now, have you ever heard of variation? Given what we've got in wide areas there's absolutely no reason why we cannot play as a counter attacking side with Defoe at the head of it and I've been repeating that since we signed Defoe.

Your point even when elaborated on is not much better tbf.

Well we aren't a counter attacking side. We don't break with pace, we don't burst forward in numbers. We launch the ball at a tiny fella and it regularly comes back at us. It's one of the reasons why, in five of our six league games since the turn of the year we've performed very poorly.

For all Defoe goals have been hugely helpful (in fact, they're the main reason them awful performances haven't all been defeats) and he's done better than I expected, he's still not ideal for that role. We'd be a better all round side, imo, with a striker who scores a couple yes but who can play that role effectively. Defoe has limited impact on the game unless he scores, he's anonymous. Which is fine, he's on a decent run and it's great for us. But as a team, we'd be better off having a gameplan which wasn't just hoping we can soak up shitloads of pressure, and the hope Defoe can nick a goal.

I've been back and forth with you a few times on this mate, I don't think either of us are going to change our opinions so cannot he chewed going back over it :lol:

There's no point at all having a big Heskeyesque lone striker if you haven't got runners piling in from midfield to give him something to lay the ball off to.

We'd end up doing what we have done whenever we had the likes of Gray, Kyle, etc. which is to lump it up to the poor sod then groan when it inevitably gets mopped up by the 2 central defenders marking him and back it comes with sugar on

Whys it got to he a Heskeyesque striker, with all the negative connotations that brings? How about a Davies sort, who ran the line for Bolton for years with distinction. Or Carroll, who's a cut above in that role?

That being said, I don't particularly want us to play that way, however Allardyce will always play that way hence the argument.

For me he's the best natural striker we've had since SKP.

Bent was better, tbf.
 
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Well we aren't a counter attacking side. We don't break with pace, we don't burst forward in numbers. We launch the ball at a tiny fella and it regularly comes back at us. It's one of the reasons why, in five of our six league games since the turn of the year we've performed very poorly.

For all Defoe goals have been hugely helpful (in fact, they're the main reason them awful performances haven't all been defeats) and he's done better than I expected, he's still not ideal for that role. We'd be a better all round side, imo, with a striker who scores a couple yes but who can play that role effectively. Defoe has limited impact on the game unless he scores, he's anonymous. Which is fine, he's on a decent run and it's great for us. But as a team, we'd be better off having a gameplan which wasn't just hoping we can soak up shitloads of pressure, and the hope Defoe can nick a goal.

At times we do break with pace, ball retention as well as defensive instability has been the problem, though quite often the way we play doesn't lead to good ball retention either - but I guess that's another argument. One of our main strengths is breaking with pace playing one-twos to get us into the positions, although we don't generally play like that as a whole team, this also lends itself to the sitting deep play we tend to favour because of a slow backline and we have plenty of players with pace to utilise it going forward. You say we don't burst forward in numbers, but the one thing a lone striker would need us to do is support him - what's he going to do like, bring it down and hold it for ten mins or head it to himself? Regardless of whom or what plays up front he needs support, a big strong striker wont change that and it's something we need to address whoever plays up there.

Even now you're begrudgingly giving Defoe faint praise, when realistically he's performed from the off, inspite of our inadquacies. It's still "if we had this player" etc etc, but we don't. We could go out and spend £20m on a lone striker and still not get someone as productive.


Whys it got to he a Heskeyesque striker, with all the negative connotations that brings? How about a Davies sort, who ran the line for Bolton for years with distinction. Or Carroll, who's a cut above in that role?

Heskey was a far better player than Davies for most of their careers IMO and Davies mostly didn't trouble the back of the net too much either, just a plain old grafter. I don't think Carroll is that suited to it either, he's a typical back post/nod it on target man type, who needs someone to play off him. Good player when fit, but rarely is.Great at feeding someone who gets close to him....Someone more mobile and a bit more dynamic is going to add more to team play than him.

This lack of a game plan you're talking about - soaking up loads of pressure and hoping Defoe will nick a goal. Allardyce's game plan is generally soaking up pressure sitting deep and not allowing anyone to get behind you or around you, whilst allowing central shots from distance. Getting the ball forward quickly, playing percentages and looking for scraps is always part of his plan, with a bit of quality either wide or central in advanced midfield areas. As much as he'll probably revert to type and get a big guy up front to create those scraps, I don't think it's ever going to be the kind of well oiled machine with a link man spearheading the attack you seem to think it will or could be. Therefore there's no reason to think that quick balls forward and pressure applied through pace and workrate from wide areas (Borini, Khazri and Watmore other signings etc) as is becoming more fashionable in the PL right now couldn't be just as effective.


Bent was better, tbf.

Ask any Spurs fan tbh, universally it'll be Defoe.

Defoe more natural, Bent more effective whilst here because he had the raw physique.
 
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I am loving this, defending the undefendable, almost like our back 4.
 
speaking of worst signing surely the OP misspelled Rodwell.. defoe
Never won a league game when he started?

26. starts??? 14 draws, 12 defeats??

that isn't conincdence
 
personally, if you ask me it was the deal of the century, nowt againt Jozy, however, def think we get the better player out of the swap
 
personally, if you ask me it was the deal of the century, nowt againt Jozy, however, def think we get the better player out of the swap
his record speaks for itself... and when compared against that of Jozy it speaks even louder.
 
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