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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

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janey said:
It is true, before either of the verdicts it was reported that one of the jurors had a job interview on Thursday or Friday (not sure mind why they weren't sure which day they had an interview, but hey ho). Anyway the journalists there tweeted that there was no rush to reach a verdict because even though one of them had a job interview and that the jury decision could take about 4/5 days if needed because if the juror having an interview.
This was about 3.30ish and I remember thinking well it won't happen today, it's too late in the day, the Court won't sit much longer because the judge will gave a game of golf to play, and they'll all be sent home.
20/30 minutes later we had two separate verdicts, not guilty on the first, unanimous, and guilty on the second 10-2, despite the judge initially saying he wouldn't accept a majority verdict.
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Don't judges always say they won't accept a majority verdict and need a unanimous verdict, and then change it later?

Judges will always ask for unanimous. And wasn't what the judge said not that he 'wouldn't accept a majority' but that he needed a unanimous one and that it wasn't guaranteed he would be in a position to accept a majority one later?
 

Rober33 said:
I would be very careful what you say about that, wouldn't want you to get into trouble for posting something which might reveal her identity. Same goes for anyone replying.
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Oh I'm not that stupid and I don't for one second condone or defend what he's done.
But you'd think the family etc would be more tactful and sensible.
 
Rober33 said:
I totally missed that :)
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Has to make you wonder. Any barrister worth their salt would run rings around that, oh so at 3.30 you hadn't reached any decision, but at 4.00, knowing a juror had a job interview, at some date in the future, you have reached two and the judge went from a determined 12-0 verdict to okay I'll accept whatever. He didn't even say, as far as I know, that he'd changed his insistence from 12-0 to accepting a majority.
 
haway said:
Don't judges always say they won't accept a majority verdict and need a unanimous verdict, and then change it later?

Judges will always ask for unanimous. And wasn't what the judge said not that he 'wouldn't accept a majority' but that he needed a unanimous one and that it wasn't guaranteed he would be in a position to accept a majority one later?
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He said he'd only accept 12-0, it sticks because it was an inappropriate attempt to be funny in a serious situation. Judges sometimes say they will accept a majority decision he didn't, but then he did.
 
Rober33 said:
I'm not sure what you meant by people like me thinking he shouldn't be doing his job....
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I was told today that a member of the jury made the judge aware of a prearranged appointment that couldn't be changed, which is why the judge agreed to accept a majority verdict.

Worryingly I was told it could be part of Johnson's appeal.

I have no idea how true any of that is or how the person who told me knew about it because I haven't seen it printed anywhere but I hope it doesn't give Johnson an excuse to mount an appeal and drag this on for even longer.[/QUOTE]
 
Purrfect South said:
Interesting. There's no ruling anywhere from FIFA in the public domain on this. Just his father saying he's free to go, and lots of graphics saying FIFA, to give it an air of truth. I'm not convinced.
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He's playing for Samodoria. I'm not convinced Inter would have allowed that had they not had some sort of conclusion to this. After all, we told them he was their player, they wouldn't give him away for nowt
 
janey said:
Has to make you wonder. Any barrister worth their salt would run rings around that, oh so at 3.30 you hadn't reached any decision, but at 4.00, knowing a juror had a job interview, at some date in the future, you have reached two and the judge went from a determined 12-0 verdict to okay I'll accept whatever. He didn't even say, as far as I know, that he'd changed his insistence from 12-0 to accepting a majority.
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It does sound very odd but I think if they were at 10-2 the judge would have accepted that after a few more days anyway so the result would have probably ended the same, assuming the jurors didn't change their position.
 
janey said:
Has to make you wonder. Any barrister worth their salt would run rings around that, oh so at 3.30 you hadn't reached any decision, but at 4.00, knowing a juror had a job interview, at some date in the future, you have reached two and the judge went from a determined 12-0 verdict to okay I'll accept whatever. He didn't even say, as far as I know, that he'd changed his insistence from 12-0 to accepting a majority.
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The judge, having made his little football joke about 12-0 in a sex case with a 15 year old, hasn't earned my respect.

If a witness had cracked such a pathetic joke it would be 'contempt of court'.
 
Reiver said:
I'll be there tomorrow and know that those with me will be supporting the club.

That's all that matters to me.

Byrne isn't the club, Johnson isn't the club and neither is Short.

I'll support my club with pride, as I always do, because it's our club not their's ........ I'll be there long after they've all gone.
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I have an eight year old daughter who has a season ticket and has already visited 14 different grounds. I have explained everything to her and why what he has done is wrong. I can understand taking pictures down out of his kids room, but not taking him to the match is just daft. He might as well lock him under the stairs. I've told my daughter that Johnson is nothing to do with us anymore and to forget about him. I wouldn't force her to go to the game if she felt she didn't want to because of this. My policy is to be honest and open and let the kids choose themselves.
 
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