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Jermaine Defoe - Poorest signing in recent memory
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woodlebert
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absolutely vital you remind people of this as it is what they will attack you most easily with because it is a huge overreaction.
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not spavin
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His last full season in the league.
Best thing about Defoe is his professionalism. Been played all over the park, never fails to give it his all. Plus he's in peak physical condition, seems as quick and sharp as ever. Seems possible that he could be contributing something for the next couple of years, so it looks like I could be wrong about his length of contract.
Right about absolutely everything else I've ever said or thought about anything, of course.
Perseus
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Wayne The Punk
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GK
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dangermows
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Does fuck all really, well except score goals and single handedly get us points from nowhere.
Apart from that, nowt, a useless waste of space
have you vanished? @Morny still think defoes shite?The funniest thing is: if the lad had just turned around at any time during the last year or so and said, "F*cking hell, I've had an absolute mare, haven't I?" we'd have took the p*ss for another day and then left him alone. It's the fact that he's still adamant that he's right when even Blindy McBlind from Blind Lane, Blindsville can see that Defoe is probably a slightly better option than Josy.
Morny
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I don't think that no. As I've said repeatedly, the original thread title was over the top and silly. I've said that from very early on in this thread, maybes even from the first couple of days I posted it. He's not the poorest signing, my argument was never about his ability as a player it was always about the fact that we signed him without a plan, without anyway to fit him into our side and seemingly only because it allowed us to get rid of Jozy (which whilst good, should not be the reason for signing a player).
Recently, he's done decent on his own up front, certainly better than I expected. Being honest, I still think we'd be a better side with a player better suited to that role (he simply doesn't naturally suit that role, especially in an Allardyce team) HOWEVER he's done a very decent job in the role and proven himself a very valuable member of the team. Allardyce has found as way of utilising his skills and making him pretty effective. Therefore, I'll concede I was wrong (so feel free to rip the piss further
). Just for some further enlightening on the post you replied to; it was a gripe that, after the Spurs game I posted a VERY obviously tongue-in-cheek comment about him not scoring, and even conceded that he'd played well. I was met with abuse and told to keep my mouth shut, and then silence on the thread for a number of weeks. So I found it a bit odd that when he did score, everyone was racing to bump it again.
DufraisFTM
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Deleted User 11453
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Altidore scored against Canada so we could swap them back again.
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draper
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Stop apologising to these arseholes. They are only experts in hindsight and even then just because he's popped up with a goal doesn't mean they are right or you are wrong. If Defoe had left in the window they one thing you could guarantee about this place is the same half wits would be calling him worse than shite.
I don't think that no. As I've said repeatedly, the original thread title was over the top and silly. I've said that from very early on in this thread, maybes even from the first couple of days I posted it. He's not the poorest signing, my argument was never about his ability as a player it was always about the fact that we signed him without a plan, without anyway to fit him into our side and seemingly only because it allowed us to get rid of Jozy (which whilst good, should not be the reason for signing a player).
Recently, he's done decent on his own up front, certainly better than I expected. Being honest, I still think we'd be a better side with a player better suited to that role (he simply doesn't naturally suit that role, especially in an Allardyce team) HOWEVER he's done a very decent job in the role and proven himself a very valuable member of the team. Allardyce has found as way of utilising his skills and making him pretty effective. Therefore, I'll concede I was wrong (so feel free to rip the piss further
Just for some further enlightening on the post you replied to; it was a gripe that, after the Spurs game I posted a VERY obviously tongue-in-cheek comment about him not scoring, and even conceded that he'd played well. I was met with abuse and told to keep my mouth shut, and then silence on the thread for a number of weeks. So I found it a bit odd that when he did score, everyone was racing to bump it again.
Morny
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That part is correct mind. But he has been canny since going up front on his own, better than I thought he would be so I'm happy to back down.
chriswallace85
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walesie
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If it was just a goal, you'd have a point. 10 league goals so far this season in a shit team says he's been an excellent signing.
Perryqhill
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Recently, he's done decent on his own up front, certainly better than I expected. Being honest, I still think we'd be a better side with a player better suited to that role (he simply doesn't naturally suit that role, especially in an Allardyce team) HOWEVER he's done a very decent job in the role and proven himself a very valuable member of the team. Allardyce has found as way of utilising his skills and making him pretty effective. Therefore, I'll concede I was wrong (so feel free to rip the piss further
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Like who and where from? Every single player we've had during his time here or whom we could sign would be hamstrung one way or another playing the role, so why has Defoe been the one to have suffered when he's the most productive?
Allardyce has simply played him up front mate, instead of thinking he had to play two up all the time or that he had to accomodate him wide. Something Poyet and Advocaat couldn't get their heads around and the latter had to concentrate on Defoe almost blaming him when things went wrong rather than his own failings. Like any player past or present they have strengths and weakenesses. Defoe isn't going to give you a physical presence and work the centre halves bollocks off physically, but he does do other things and work them in other ways.
Morny
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I don't know who, my knowledge of players across the leagues ain't great. But there's plenty of strikers (not Fletcher or Graham) specialise in a lone striker role, would make us a better side than we are with Defoe leading the line. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to say. We don't have one, but they do exist out there and I'd be very surprised if Allardyce doesn't try to bring one in in the summer.
In the meantime, Defoe is doing a fine job of leading the line for us. I struggle to see what is at all controversial about that view. At least I can understand why my original one was completely controversial
Perryqhill
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I don't know who, my knowledge of players across the leagues ain't great. But there's plenty of strikers (not Fletcher or Graham) specialise in a lone striker role, would make us a better side than we are with Defoe leading the line. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to say. We don't have one, but they do exist out there and I'd be very surprised if Allardyce doesn't try to bring one in in the summer.
In the meantime, Defoe is doing a fine job of leading the line for us. I struggle to see what is at all controversial about that view. At least I can understand why my original one was completely controversial
But why would that mean we function better as a team just because there's a traditional big/lone striker up there? He may hold the ball up, but then Defoe can on occasions too. He may battle with defenders, but unless he has support it could be just as much as a struggle. Would he score goals though? How long does the functioning as a team last if it's not scoring goals like Defoe does and confidence wanes?
Allardyce has already brought one in now, have you ever heard of variation? Given what we've got in wide areas there's absolutely no reason why we cannot play as a counter attacking side with Defoe at the head of it and I've been repeating that since we signed Defoe.
Your point even when elaborated on is not much better tbf.
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