Shootings in Paris

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Horatio Pugwash said:
I've gotta admit, when Galloway started speaking I automatically bridled,ready for a shout at the telly.by the time he finished I realized I actually agreed with him on this point. He really let rip.
I do have to admit I also agree with him on dangerous dogs too. But that's for another thread ;)
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Have you got a link to what he said?
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
The problem is the Abrahamic religions have remained too dogmatic in their theistic dualistic concepts of an external God and an internal Soul that are separate. This is unusual as Jesus is alleged to have said that the Kingdom of Heaven is within and that the Father is in Heaven. Therefore the Father is within. This is more of a non-dualistic perspective. Jainism and Buddhism are both non-dualistic while Brahmanism was dualistic until Adi Shankara around 800 CE interpreted the Upanishads (Vedanta) as non-dualistic (Advaita), stating that Brahman (Universal Consciousness) and Atman (Individual Consciousness) were not separate entities. This has effectively been the dominant philosophy of Hinduism ever since, Advaita Vedanta. The West never indulged in this flowing of ideas between the various schools. In fact Judaism, Christianity and Islam remained at odds with each other.



The true meaning of prayer is a form of meditation. Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane left the disciples several times to "pray". As he had previously advised against repetition it would be unlikely he engaged in repeating himself and it is difficult to understand how Mark could have known what he said in prayer as Jesus was alone and when he had finished was immediately arrested. I doubt if Jesus had either the time or inclination to tell anyone the content of his "prayer".



The man of suffering is classed as one of seven types of wise men in some Eastern traditions because he has seen through the nature of the temporary world and cannot find happiness in its transient nature. We live a temporary existence in a temporary world, yet so many of us act as if it was all permanent. We don't like to think otherwise so we push it to one side in our mind. The cause of suffering is our mind. When we neutralise and silence the mind, the heart opens. Love is supreme and the supreme is love. Love is bliss. This is our core experience. The cognitive experience of this love within enables us to recognise that love in others, even if they can't see it themselves. We carry an ocean of love around wherever we go but we so often cover it over with mind. What is hidden shall be revealed.



One of the titles of Krishna is Lord of Love. Another is Lord of Yoga, which means union. Jesus was the living Lord of Love at that time. He was the Zadik (Supreme Teacher of Righteousness). In Jainism that title is Tirthankara, Mahavira was their last one, Shakyamuni the Buddha was his younger contemporary. The medieval Sant Mat tradition of India which practised Raja Yoga and the Sikh religion that was a derivative, both used the title Satguru. They were all fully enlightened beings. They were all Masters of Perfection. They were all the living Lord of Love for their time. There have been hundreds of them throughout out history since ancient times but only some of them had a religion formed after them. Usually by people that had never met them.



In the East it is known as Sanatana Dharma which means The Eternal Way and is the correct name for the Religions of the Indian People rather than Hinduism which is simply a generic term. It includes the philosophies of Jainism, Buddhism, Raja Yoga and Advaita Vedanta (Hindu). All of the mainstream religions have come from those that practised this Eternal Way including Jesus. Compare the teachings of Jesus that focus on experience (Baptism with Spirit), single-mindedness, everyday mindfulness and dedication. He clearly identifies the source of distraction as the mind. That is where temptation arises that will lead away from the path.



Perhaps it has never been lost. It simply sleeps within us obscured by the clouds of our thoughts, concepts and ego.

You're own beliefs are probably different to mine but I share your understanding of the Perennial Tradition or the Eternal Way as the source of all religion. It's just a pity that by the time they had formed, the living master had moved on as if carrying a lamp from one generation to another.
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It's Friday night man. I'm not reading all that.
 
Mackem00 said:
Your sneering and mocking of other peoples viewpoints. You've just done it again in your reply to Harry there.
I was responding to your posts, not who posted them.

You dont believe in religion, that's clear. Could easily just leave it at that without the personal insults.


I havent ganged up on anyone.
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I was not refering to you 'ganging up', the ganging up was just pointing out that sort of thing happens a lot on this forum, once on person posts something, it doesn't take long for others to join in.
Especially if you have unpopular or unusual opinions.

Harry Angstrom said:
Read his posts. He refuses to acknowledge that any good comes from millions of people being religious. They are all deluded fools. Even though they get community, comfort, a decent set of principles to live your life by (even if it is all based on a falsehood)

Anyone who mentions sky fairies in an argument on religion has lost IMHO.

I am 100% atheist (for the record)
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Where do you draw the line though?
How much good cancels out the bad?
A church might bring joy and peace to 199 out of 200 of its flock.
The remaining one being a young kid that is being buggered out back by the priest.
Or out of that 200 quite a few might grow up with 'issues' as they cant handle life properly due to how the church filled them with lies.
But the 199 or the 190 are content.

Its no different to saying jimmy saville kept millions content, saved countless lives, helped countless people, but a small number had issues.

If society can destroy jimmy saville, despite him probably doing more good for society than pretty much anyone else alive, then surely they can do the same to religion - which in all seriousness has furked up more lives than Saville could ever have hoped to.
 
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kensplace said:
I was not refering to you 'ganging up', the ganging up was just pointing out that sort of thing happens a lot on this forum, once on person posts something, it doesn't take long for others to join in.
Especially if you have unpopular or unusual opinions.



Where do you draw the line though?
How much good cancels out the bad?
A church might bring joy and peace to 199 out of 200 of its flock.
The remaining one being a young kid that is being buggered out back by the priest.
Or out of that 200 quite a few might grow up with 'issues' as they cant handle life properly due to how the church filled them with lies.
But the 199 or the 190 are content.

Its no different to saying jimmy saville kept millions content, saved countless lives, helped countless people, but a small number had issues.

If society can destroy jimmy saville, despite him probably doing more good for society than pretty much anyone else alive, then surely they can do the same to religion - which in all seriousness has furked up more lives than Saville could ever have hoped to.
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Are you defending Savile here?
 
look out piano said:
Dear ISIS:
Congratulations. In a period of about three days you’ve completely screwed yourself in every strategic and ideological way imaginable. You’ve motivated frenemies like Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin to huddle together with no pretense and figure out how to end you. You’ve forced Belgium to admit it has a problem. You’ve motivated the Iraqis to start driving you out of its borders. You’ve even made everyone start liking France again. And your historically bad week is just getting started.
The United States is now taking out your oil tankers without regard for collateral damage; there goes your only revenue. France is using its air force to blow up your stronghold as the world cheers it on; no one even knew France had an air force. Putin has given up the identity of your funding sources, and he’s now willing to give up his longstanding protection of Assad in the process. But more than merely motivating the militaries of the world to take out every last trace of you, you’ve done something far worse to yourself: you’ve lost your identity.
World leaders are no longer referring to you as “ISIS” or the “Islamic State” because they’re not willing to let you pretend that your terrorist agenda is in any way connected to Islam. You don’t even get to keep your acronym anymore. Now you’re being referred to as Daesh, a name you hate. We even let the French pick out the name, because they’ve more than earned it this week. Muslim leaders and Muslim rank-and-file around the world despise you, and you’re completely out of allies.
You seem to want World War III. The trouble is, you don’t have the muscle. You don’t even fully control a single nation, and the world has taken out half your assets in a matter of a few days. It’ll take far longer than that to gradually wipe every trace of your existence from the earth, but that’s now inevitable. So thanks, ISIS or Daesh or whatever name we might choose to call you against your will. In these divisive times you’ve somehow managed to unite the entire world. Congratulations on that. ;)
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Taken straight from f***ing facebook
 
kensplace said:
I was not refering to you 'ganging up', the ganging up was just pointing out that sort of thing happens a lot on this forum, once on person posts something, it doesn't take long for others to join in.
Especially if you have unpopular or unusual opinions.



Where do you draw the line though?
How much good cancels out the bad?
A church might bring joy and peace to 199 out of 200 of its flock.
The remaining one being a young kid that is being buggered out back by the priest.
Or out of that 200 quite a few might grow up with 'issues' as they cant handle life properly due to how the church filled them with lies.
But the 199 or the 190 are content.

Its no different to saying jimmy saville kept millions content, saved countless lives, helped countless people, but a small number had issues.

If society can destroy jimmy saville, despite him probably doing more good for society than pretty much anyone else alive, then surely they can do the same to religion - which in all seriousness has furked up more lives than Saville could ever have hoped to.
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So are you saying child abuse is ok.
 
FootballFan said:
After re-reading that sickening post I cannot see how any amount of backtracking can get him out of this one.
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I have absolutely nothing to gain by defending kensplace but I see you and a couple of other vultures circling. He doesn't need to back track on anything because it's obvious that what he's saying that all the community and good done by the likes of Saville and 'religion' can't make up for the harm he/they did. I personally think that his cry for 'society to destroy religion' s naïve and misplaced but I'm not in the mood for a good old smb witch burning this morning...even if it is kensplace on the pyre.
 
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JonMc said:
I have absolutely nothing to gain by defending kensplace but I see you and a couple of other vultures circling. He doesn't need to back track on anything because it's obvious that what he's saying that all the community and good done by the likes of Saville can't make up for the harm he did. I personally think that his cry for 'society to destroy religion' s naïve and misplaced but I'm not in the mood for a good old smb witch burning this morning.
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deary me :eek:
 
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