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West Ham fan in peace (as the name implies),

I just wanted to write here to give you a West Ham fan's opinion on Big Sam, to give you the full story on his time at West Ham, and how I believe he will be one of the better managers you've ever had. This will be a lengthy post, so to avoid wasting your time, if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, the highlights are in bold.

First my opinion on BS. When he was appointed, there were a lot of reservations from the West Ham faithful, due to his perceived image. I was reluctant, but I knew he was what was needed at the time. The owners gave him all of the tools he needed to succeed, including a huge budget, and the pick of his captain, Kevin Nolan. To Allardyce's credit (which he deserves a ton of), he came in immediately, cleared out the deadwood, changed the ethos of the club from a dejected and broken group of individuals, to a confident and united squad, and brought in practically an entirely new squad. What he achieved in his first two seasons with West Ham was nothing short of exceptional. Every West Ham fan I know is extremely grateful for what he has done for this club. He took us from the doom and gloom of the Avram Grant season, to a decent mid table premier league side. For that, the reasonable West Ham fans (not the minority hiding behind their computer screens) are eternally grateful. Who knows where we would be without him right now, and that playoff final vs Blackpool will go down as one of my favorite memories ever.

The reason things started to change, was due to the severe change in our form last season. I know some of it was due to the fact that he more than likely knew he wouldn't be in a job come season's end, but don't fall into the trap created by his friends in the media and believe that he was treated poorly by the owners. Some of the fans, yes, but the owners did nothing wrong. The problem we had with the side was that our early season form, and the way we were playing was spectacular. No West Ham fans were booing Allardyce during this time, and we had all believed he had turned a corner and could push on from his typical style of play. However, we were playing this way because of the absence of Kevin Nolan and Andy Carroll due to injury. We were able to inject pace into the side and worked a high press, which worked wonderfully. Also, I am in no way slagging off the two players, as Kevin Nolan was vital in uniting our squad, and was a useful player in his first two seasons, and Andy Carroll is unplayable on his day. Once these two were back and (barely) fit, Allardyce proceeded to take out the spine of the squad that was doing so well, abandon the 4-4-2 that had Sakho and Valencia unplayable, Downing unstoppable at the tip of the diamond, and revert to his 4-5-1 with long balls over Big Andy's head, and a reliance on set pieces, and Downing shunted out on the wing. It was so disheartening to watch. We then only won 3 games for the rest of the season, playing football that was, to be frank, turgid at best. We knew that we had a squad capable of playing some good football, but it just wasn't happening.

The booing of the win vs Hull: I wasn't there that game, but I had quite a few (reasonable) mates who were. Every time I hear about the booing, it seems the number of fans booing has increased a considerable amount. It was only a few hundred who booed. The reason the boos were heard is because the rest of the fans were still in shock with how the game went. We were completely played off the park by an awful Hull side playing with 10 men, and only won due to a scrappy OG and a red card/penalty decision. I remember thinking at the final whistle, "How the f*** did we win that?!". It was truly awful, and I definitely didn't find myself applauding, but I would never boo a win, and the fans who did should be ashamed.

The media perceived West Ham fans' delusion/the West Ham way: There seems to be a belief from some other fans and the media that we coined "The West Ham Way", that we demand our manager to play that way, and that we expect to be a top 4 team. Most West Ham fans are realistic and are perfectly happy with competing in the top half of the table. With the new stadium move coming up, that may change in the next 2-5 years, but for now we are perfectly happy with top half, and ecstatic at where we are at the moment. There is no set "West Ham Way". What we like our teams to do is work hard, and have a belief that they can go out there and win every game. There is no set style, and we are perfectly fine with our team mixing in the occasional direct ball forward with the passing style and quick press.
 

It didn't let me post all of the post, so here is the rest:

The belief from the press and some opposition fans that we believe we are entitled to "free-flowing, perfect Lyall/Greenwood" football, or that we are entitled to the top 6/7 is way off. We just want to enjoy going to games, win or lose.

Okay now on to the part you guys probably actually care about.

Allardyce for Sunderland:
Pros: Fantastic appointment, hands down. You guys have the added advantage of appointing him before you went down, rather than after like we did. He will come in, analyze the squad, remove the bad eggs and the non-willing workers.

He will unite the squad, and they will love playing for him. He's a pragmatist, there is no doubt about that. He will target the winnable games, and most of the time make sure you win them. They won't be pretty, but he will get you points.

He will have you organized. You will improve greatly at defending and attacking set pieces, and your defenders will grow in confidence because of this. Winston Reid has transformed from a hopeless defender to one of the best in the leagues, and this is due to Allardyce almost entirely. James Tomkins also improved immeasurably under Allardyce's leadership.

I firmly believe that he will keep you up this season. He hasn't had the time he needs to fully implement his philosophy, but there were definitely signs of it vs West Brom. I think West Ham was a big learning experience for him, and he will have you guys playing nice stuff at times.

HE TAKES SH** FROM NO ONE! I love his attitude when it comes to certain things. My absolute highlights with him as manager from a non-playing standpoint are his Mourinho interviews, and his laughing at the diving cheat that is Chico Flores. If you haven't seen it, I suggest you youtube/google it, because it was hilarious. He will provide some moments like this for you, for sure!

He knows the importance of a derby match! Our record vs Spurs/Millwall was fantastic under him, and I'm sure he will place a lot of importance on the matches against the Mags, and ensure that your team is properly fired up for them! Our record vs Newcastle wasn't too bad either, despite the fact that Pardew has a good record against us in general. I also believe he now hates the Mags as much as you guys do.

I believe he will lay the building blocks for you guys to push on in 3-5 years time. From there it will be up to your owners to decide if you want to keep him, or to move on to another appointment.

Cons: I don't want you to think these are bitter comments, as overall I am completely happy with Allardyce and what he has done for our club. The obvious one first, it will not be pretty. When you win, it's no big deal. When you lose, there will be some games where you are truly depressed at what you just watched (I'm sure you guys are used to that at the moment, as we were back then). This won't bother you for the first year or two, as long as you stay up. Later down the line you will more than likely be asking for a change in style, but for now it will get results and that is what you need.

No plan B: There will be some games that are crying out for an impact sub, or a change in style (particularly against the teams with big centre backs ala Stoke, Soton, Chelsea, etc. who know how to suss out the long ball. This will not happen sadly, no matter how much you ask. There are sometimes where his persistence pays off though with a set piece goal.

His ego (pro/con): His self belief is part of the reason that he is such a successful manager. You have to have that belief in order to make it in his profession, but there are times where he takes it too far. It's never his fault, and he will constantly blame referees/other players/your fans for losses, rather than himself. He comes off as really arrogant, and there will be times where this upsets you. I wasn't sure whether to list this as a pro or con, as it's his greatest strength, as well as his worst enemy at times.

Overall, I think you have made a fine appointment, the best one you could make in fact! He will get you to love your team again, and he will turn around the whole belief in the club. Once again, I fully believe he will turn things around and keep you up. He will bring in a couple of decent players for you as well, and help you build on for the next few seasons. You guys have reason to be excited, for sure.

Once again, apologies for the lengthy post. I wish you all the best for the rest of the season, except when you play us of course. All the best!
 
It didn't let me post all of the post, so here is the rest:

The belief from the press and some opposition fans that we believe we are entitled to "free-flowing, perfect Lyall/Greenwood" football, or that we are entitled to the top 6/7 is way off. We just want to enjoy going to games, win or lose.

Okay now on to the part you guys probably actually care about.

Allardyce for Sunderland:
Pros: Fantastic appointment, hands down. You guys have the added advantage of appointing him before you went down, rather than after like we did. He will come in, analyze the squad, remove the bad eggs and the non-willing workers.

He will unite the squad, and they will love playing for him. He's a pragmatist, there is no doubt about that. He will target the winnable games, and most of the time make sure you win them. They won't be pretty, but he will get you points.

He will have you organized. You will improve greatly at defending and attacking set pieces, and your defenders will grow in confidence because of this. Winston Reid has transformed from a hopeless defender to one of the best in the leagues, and this is due to Allardyce almost entirely. James Tomkins also improved immeasurably under Allardyce's leadership.

I firmly believe that he will keep you up this season. He hasn't had the time he needs to fully implement his philosophy, but there were definitely signs of it vs West Brom. I think West Ham was a big learning experience for him, and he will have you guys playing nice stuff at times.

HE TAKES SH** FROM NO ONE! I love his attitude when it comes to certain things. My absolute highlights with him as manager from a non-playing standpoint are his Mourinho interviews, and his laughing at the diving cheat that is Chico Flores. If you haven't seen it, I suggest you youtube/google it, because it was hilarious. He will provide some moments like this for you, for sure!

He knows the importance of a derby match! Our record vs Spurs/Millwall was fantastic under him, and I'm sure he will place a lot of importance on the matches against the Mags, and ensure that your team is properly fired up for them! Our record vs Newcastle wasn't too bad either, despite the fact that Pardew has a good record against us in general. I also believe he now hates the Mags as much as you guys do.

I believe he will lay the building blocks for you guys to push on in 3-5 years time. From there it will be up to your owners to decide if you want to keep him, or to move on to another appointment.

Cons: I don't want you to think these are bitter comments, as overall I am completely happy with Allardyce and what he has done for our club. The obvious one first, it will not be pretty. When you win, it's no big deal. When you lose, there will be some games where you are truly depressed at what you just watched (I'm sure you guys are used to that at the moment, as we were back then). This won't bother you for the first year or two, as long as you stay up. Later down the line you will more than likely be asking for a change in style, but for now it will get results and that is what you need.

No plan B: There will be some games that are crying out for an impact sub, or a change in style (particularly against the teams with big centre backs ala Stoke, Soton, Chelsea, etc. who know how to suss out the long ball. This will not happen sadly, no matter how much you ask. There are sometimes where his persistence pays off though with a set piece goal.

His ego (pro/con): His self belief is part of the reason that he is such a successful manager. You have to have that belief in order to make it in his profession, but there are times where he takes it too far. It's never his fault, and he will constantly blame referees/other players/your fans for losses, rather than himself. He comes off as really arrogant, and there will be times where this upsets you. I wasn't sure whether to list this as a pro or con, as it's his greatest strength, as well as his worst enemy at times.

Overall, I think you have made a fine appointment, the best one you could make in fact! He will get you to love your team again, and he will turn around the whole belief in the club. Once again, I fully believe he will turn things around and keep you up. He will bring in a couple of decent players for you as well, and help you build on for the next few seasons. You guys have reason to be excited, for sure.

Once again, apologies for the lengthy post. I wish you all the best for the rest of the season, except when you play us of course. All the best!

Our club has been desperate to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck for too long now and I for one like the sound of Big Sam's style.
Thank you for taking the trouble to post; it made for an interesting read.
Now go and shove those jellied eels right up your jacksey :lol:
 
It didn't let me post all of the post, so here is the rest:

The belief from the press and some opposition fans that we believe we are entitled to "free-flowing, perfect Lyall/Greenwood" football, or that we are entitled to the top 6/7 is way off. We just want to enjoy going to games, win or lose.

Okay now on to the part you guys probably actually care about.

Allardyce for Sunderland:
Pros: Fantastic appointment, hands down. You guys have the added advantage of appointing him before you went down, rather than after like we did. He will come in, analyze the squad, remove the bad eggs and the non-willing workers.

He will unite the squad, and they will love playing for him. He's a pragmatist, there is no doubt about that. He will target the winnable games, and most of the time make sure you win them. They won't be pretty, but he will get you points.

He will have you organized. You will improve greatly at defending and attacking set pieces, and your defenders will grow in confidence because of this. Winston Reid has transformed from a hopeless defender to one of the best in the leagues, and this is due to Allardyce almost entirely. James Tomkins also improved immeasurably under Allardyce's leadership.

I firmly believe that he will keep you up this season. He hasn't had the time he needs to fully implement his philosophy, but there were definitely signs of it vs West Brom. I think West Ham was a big learning experience for him, and he will have you guys playing nice stuff at times.

HE TAKES SH** FROM NO ONE! I love his attitude when it comes to certain things. My absolute highlights with him as manager from a non-playing standpoint are his Mourinho interviews, and his laughing at the diving cheat that is Chico Flores. If you haven't seen it, I suggest you youtube/google it, because it was hilarious. He will provide some moments like this for you, for sure!

He knows the importance of a derby match! Our record vs Spurs/Millwall was fantastic under him, and I'm sure he will place a lot of importance on the matches against the Mags, and ensure that your team is properly fired up for them! Our record vs Newcastle wasn't too bad either, despite the fact that Pardew has a good record against us in general. I also believe he now hates the Mags as much as you guys do.

I believe he will lay the building blocks for you guys to push on in 3-5 years time. From there it will be up to your owners to decide if you want to keep him, or to move on to another appointment.

Cons: I don't want you to think these are bitter comments, as overall I am completely happy with Allardyce and what he has done for our club. The obvious one first, it will not be pretty. When you win, it's no big deal. When you lose, there will be some games where you are truly depressed at what you just watched (I'm sure you guys are used to that at the moment, as we were back then). This won't bother you for the first year or two, as long as you stay up. Later down the line you will more than likely be asking for a change in style, but for now it will get results and that is what you need.

No plan B: There will be some games that are crying out for an impact sub, or a change in style (particularly against the teams with big centre backs ala Stoke, Soton, Chelsea, etc. who know how to suss out the long ball. This will not happen sadly, no matter how much you ask. There are sometimes where his persistence pays off though with a set piece goal.

His ego (pro/con): His self belief is part of the reason that he is such a successful manager. You have to have that belief in order to make it in his profession, but there are times where he takes it too far. It's never his fault, and he will constantly blame referees/other players/your fans for losses, rather than himself. He comes off as really arrogant, and there will be times where this upsets you. I wasn't sure whether to list this as a pro or con, as it's his greatest strength, as well as his worst enemy at times.

Overall, I think you have made a fine appointment, the best one you could make in fact! He will get you to love your team again, and he will turn around the whole belief in the club. Once again, I fully believe he will turn things around and keep you up. He will bring in a couple of decent players for you as well, and help you build on for the next few seasons. You guys have reason to be excited, for sure.

Once again, apologies for the lengthy post. I wish you all the best for the rest of the season, except when you play us of course. All the best!

great post mate, thanks for that, very informative.
 
Our club has been desperate to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck for too long now and I for one like the sound of Big Sam's style.
Thank you for taking the trouble to post; it made for an interesting read.
Now go and shove those jellied eels right up your jacksey :lol:

We were in desperate need of it at the time, as you are now! Rest assured, he will make you tough to beat, and he will instill a belief into your squad! As for the jellied eels comment, they aren't as soothing up the backside as you would think, not that I would know or anything :lol:
 
It didn't let me post all of the post, so here is the rest:

The belief from the press and some opposition fans that we believe we are entitled to "free-flowing, perfect Lyall/Greenwood" football, or that we are entitled to the top 6/7 is way off. We just want to enjoy going to games, win or lose.

Okay now on to the part you guys probably actually care about.

Allardyce for Sunderland:
Pros: Fantastic appointment, hands down. You guys have the added advantage of appointing him before you went down, rather than after like we did. He will come in, analyze the squad, remove the bad eggs and the non-willing workers.

He will unite the squad, and they will love playing for him. He's a pragmatist, there is no doubt about that. He will target the winnable games, and most of the time make sure you win them. They won't be pretty, but he will get you points.

He will have you organized. You will improve greatly at defending and attacking set pieces, and your defenders will grow in confidence because of this. Winston Reid has transformed from a hopeless defender to one of the best in the leagues, and this is due to Allardyce almost entirely. James Tomkins also improved immeasurably under Allardyce's leadership.

I firmly believe that he will keep you up this season. He hasn't had the time he needs to fully implement his philosophy, but there were definitely signs of it vs West Brom. I think West Ham was a big learning experience for him, and he will have you guys playing nice stuff at times.

HE TAKES SH** FROM NO ONE! I love his attitude when it comes to certain things. My absolute highlights with him as manager from a non-playing standpoint are his Mourinho interviews, and his laughing at the diving cheat that is Chico Flores. If you haven't seen it, I suggest you youtube/google it, because it was hilarious. He will provide some moments like this for you, for sure!

He knows the importance of a derby match! Our record vs Spurs/Millwall was fantastic under him, and I'm sure he will place a lot of importance on the matches against the Mags, and ensure that your team is properly fired up for them! Our record vs Newcastle wasn't too bad either, despite the fact that Pardew has a good record against us in general. I also believe he now hates the Mags as much as you guys do.

I believe he will lay the building blocks for you guys to push on in 3-5 years time. From there it will be up to your owners to decide if you want to keep him, or to move on to another appointment.

Cons: I don't want you to think these are bitter comments, as overall I am completely happy with Allardyce and what he has done for our club. The obvious one first, it will not be pretty. When you win, it's no big deal. When you lose, there will be some games where you are truly depressed at what you just watched (I'm sure you guys are used to that at the moment, as we were back then). This won't bother you for the first year or two, as long as you stay up. Later down the line you will more than likely be asking for a change in style, but for now it will get results and that is what you need.

No plan B: There will be some games that are crying out for an impact sub, or a change in style (particularly against the teams with big centre backs ala Stoke, Soton, Chelsea, etc. who know how to suss out the long ball. This will not happen sadly, no matter how much you ask. There are sometimes where his persistence pays off though with a set piece goal.

His ego (pro/con): His self belief is part of the reason that he is such a successful manager. You have to have that belief in order to make it in his profession, but there are times where he takes it too far. It's never his fault, and he will constantly blame referees/other players/your fans for losses, rather than himself. He comes off as really arrogant, and there will be times where this upsets you. I wasn't sure whether to list this as a pro or con, as it's his greatest strength, as well as his worst enemy at times.

Overall, I think you have made a fine appointment, the best one you could make in fact! He will get you to love your team again, and he will turn around the whole belief in the club. Once again, I fully believe he will turn things around and keep you up. He will bring in a couple of decent players for you as well, and help you build on for the next few seasons. You guys have reason to be excited, for sure.

Once again, apologies for the lengthy post. I wish you all the best for the rest of the season, except when you play us of course. All the best!
I was talking to two West Ham fans today and they both assured me he will keep us up, sometimes it's important to take the emotion out of things and look from the outside
 
Good post.He's arguably got an even bigger job on here,but if he can do for us what he did at WHU then it would be fantastic. A lot of posters on here seem to think his appointment guaranteed safety this season-I'm not so sure about that.

If we do take the drop it's not entirely his fault and we need to stick with him,assuming he doesn't walk if we go down.
 
We were in desperate need of it at the time, as you are now! Rest assured, he will make you tough to beat, and he will instill a belief into your squad! As for the jellied eels comment, they aren't as soothing up the backside as you would think, not that I would know or anything :lol:

Chicken Run's got more fudge packers than the Milk Tray production line......
 
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