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No. 1 is Gary Rowell said:
The title of that is so misleading, the actual report itself says that we aren't prepared to pay what the mags will pay, not that we can't pay it.
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Dick knows him, he knows what quality he brings I think if we had the money we would of paid it, you wouldn't let your rivals swoop in on a player of that quality. You have to read between the lines but yes we don't know for sure.

Also SkySports have took down a report that Newcastle were not in for him.

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rednwhiteftm said:
Dick knows him, he knows what quality he brings I think if we had the money we would of paid it, you wouldn't let your rivals swoop in on a player of that quality. You have to read between the lines but yes we don't know for sure.

Also SkySports have took down a report that Newcastle were not in for him.

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Agrees. I think (as has been said by many on lots of threads) that the papers are just looking for any link to sell a story. I really think we'll have some decent signings but we won't know about them beforehand. Nobody thought Dick would come back, they kept that well under wraps, it also appears the Matthews signing was kept under wraps too with no stories leaking from the club. Hopefully that's the case for future signings.
 
have the pant shitters now begun to wipe their collective arses yet.... or is the sky falling elsewhere?

Hawyatt Earp said:
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Wijnaldum reluctantly rejects Newcastle because Sunderland don't have their own airport
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lees great at spinning ... just look at his eyes, thats a man who just been spinning
 
I guess the Newcastle chronicle didn't get the memo that wijnaldum basically told Newcastle to fuck off as its being reported they're waiting for a response
 
IknowWhatILike said:
I've already tried to explain this to you, and you didn't seem to grasp it in the Coates thread.

We need more than 5 signings this summer to have a sensible size of squad. So we've so far bought players to be squad players, and got them in cheaply. Naturally, they would be the ones completed first because there is less competition for the signatures, and less money involved in the deal as a whole. The quality, if it does come, would logically be signed later anyway.

While we're at it, who are the 'players who could really effect major change' who've gone to our competitors? Because I can't think of any.
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Perhaps I did grasp what you said, but it is just that I consider that you have got it wrong.

As far as I can see, SAFC now has 21 Over-21 years olds in the squad (including Coates and Matthews). Without moving players on (and there can be no guarantee of this being actually achieved) and if the aforementioned are 'squad players' and not to be included within the 5-6 the top quality players required by Advocaat, then SAFC will not be able to bring in the anticipated number of top quality players.

Your suggestion that the natural and logical order of things is for SAFC to fill its basket with the players for whom there is no competition and to defer pursuit of 'the quality' until later. That seems to be a perverse logic to me. The sensible thing to do would seem to be to go out and act swiftly and decisively to secure 'the quality' before the competition is allowed to build. Otherwise the identified 'quality' may be lured to other clubs and locations. This seems particularly logical to me, given the recognised difficulty of getting players to join us because of our geographic location. Conversely, if there is less competition for the services of the 'squaddies' and presumably also a greater range of choice, then their recruitment could be safely deferred until the end of the process

I would accept that there has not been a great deal of movement to date. However, off the top of my head, I can think of a few players who might fall into the 'could effect major change' category. So, for example Holtby has left Spurs for Hamburg, Podolski has joined Galatasaray from Arsenal (what a demonstration of ambition that would have been), Ings and Richards moving on free transfers (yes this would involve big salaries being paid to the players but the overall costs of such deals being affordable because there would be no fees), Ayew to Swansea and Mings to Bournemouth (If you are going to recruit a young centre back, why not get one who can also cover the notoriously difficult left back spot ?) are others deals done that could hae improved SAFC. Additionally there are also several prospective deals, not least of which is the proposed move of Wijnaldum to Newcastle.

I hope this helps.

KGC83 said:
It's the 6th of July.
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Well done with learning the calendar, now how about stretching yourself with an explanation as to the relevance of this point ?

CARLOS CLASS said:
It's 6th July you massive fanny
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see above
 
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Clueless said:
Perhaps I did grasp what you said, but it is just that I consider that you have got it wrong.

As far as I can see, SAFC now has 21 Over-21 years olds in the squad (including Coates and Matthews). Without moving players on (and there can be no guarantee of this being actually achieved) and if the aforementioned are 'squad players' and not to be included within the 5-6 the top quality players required by Advocaat, then SAFC will not be able to bring in the anticipated number of top quality players.

Your suggestion that the natural and logical order of things is for SAFC to fill its basket with the players for whom there is no competition and to defer pursuit of 'the quality' until later. That seems to be a perverse logic to me. The sensible thing to do would seem to be to go out and act swiftly and decisively to secure 'the quality' before the competition is allowed to build. Otherwise the identified 'quality' may be lured to other clubs and locations. This seems particularly logical to me, given the recognised difficulty of getting players to join us because of our geographic location. Conversely, if there is less competition for the services of the 'squaddies' and presumably also a greater range of choice, then their recruitment could be safely deferred until the end of the process

I would accept that there has not been a great deal of movement to date. However, off the top of my head, I can think of a few players who might fall into the 'could effect major change' category. So, for example Holtby has left Spurs for Hamburg, Podolski has joined Galatasaray from Arsenal (what a demonstration of ambition that would have been), Ings and Richards moving on free transfers (yes this would involve big salaries being paid to the players but the overall costs of such deals being affordable because there would be no fees), Ayew to Swansea and Mings to Bournemouth (If you are going to recruit a young centre back, why not get one who can also cover the notoriously difficult left back spot ?) are others deals done that could hae improved SAFC. Additionally there are also several prospective deals, not least of which is the proposed move of Wijnaldum to Newcastle.

I hope this helps.



Well done with learning the calendar, now how about stretching yourself with an explanation as to the relevance of this point ?


see above
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There's plenty of time for the squad to be added to!
 
Clueless said:
Perhaps I did grasp what you said, but it is just that I consider that you have got it wrong.

As far as I can see, SAFC now has 21 Over-21 years olds in the squad (including Coates and Matthews). Without moving players on (and there can be no guarantee of this being actually achieved) and if the aforementioned are 'squad players' and not to be included within the 5-6 the top quality players required by Advocaat, then SAFC will not be able to bring in the anticipated number of top quality players.

Your suggestion that the natural and logical order of things is for SAFC to fill its basket with the players for whom there is no competition and to defer pursuit of 'the quality' until later. That seems to be a perverse logic to me. The sensible thing to do would seem to be to go out and act swiftly and decisively to secure 'the quality' before the competition is allowed to build. Otherwise the identified 'quality' may be lured to other clubs and locations. This seems particularly logical to me, given the recognised difficulty of getting players to join us because of our geographic location. Conversely, if there is less competition for the services of the 'squaddies' and presumably also a greater range of choice, then their recruitment could be safely deferred until the end of the process

I would accept that there has not been a great deal of movement to date. However, off the top of my head, I can think of a few players who might fall into the 'could effect major change' category. So, for example Holtby has left Spurs for Hamburg, Podolski has joined Galatasaray from Arsenal (what a demonstration of ambition that would have been), Ings and Richards moving on free transfers (yes this would involve big salaries being paid to the players but the overall costs of such deals being affordable because there would be no fees), Ayew to Swansea and Mings to Bournemouth (If you are going to recruit a young centre back, why not get one who can also cover the notoriously difficult left back spot ?) are others deals done that could hae improved SAFC. Additionally there are also several prospective deals, not least of which is the proposed move of Wijnaldum to Newcastle.

I hope this helps.



Well done with learning the calendar, now how about stretching yourself with an explanation as to the relevance of this point ?


see above
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You haven't got a point though. We've got until the end of next month to bring quality in, if we haven't brought quality players in before then you will have a point.
 
Clueless said:
Perhaps I did grasp what you said, but it is just that I consider that you have got it wrong.

As far as I can see, SAFC now has 21 Over-21 years olds in the squad (including Coates and Matthews). Without moving players on (and there can be no guarantee of this being actually achieved) and if the aforementioned are 'squad players' and not to be included within the 5-6 the top quality players required by Advocaat, then SAFC will not be able to bring in the anticipated number of top quality players.

Your suggestion that the natural and logical order of things is for SAFC to fill its basket with the players for whom there is no competition and to defer pursuit of 'the quality' until later. That seems to be a perverse logic to me. The sensible thing to do would seem to be to go out and act swiftly and decisively to secure 'the quality' before the competition is allowed to build. Otherwise the identified 'quality' may be lured to other clubs and locations. This seems particularly logical to me, given the recognised difficulty of getting players to join us because of our geographic location. Conversely, if there is less competition for the services of the 'squaddies' and presumably also a greater range of choice, then their recruitment could be safely deferred until the end of the process

I would accept that there has not been a great deal of movement to date. However, off the top of my head, I can think of a few players who might fall into the 'could effect major change' category. So, for example Holtby has left Spurs for Hamburg, Podolski has joined Galatasaray from Arsenal (what a demonstration of ambition that would have been), Ings and Richards moving on free transfers (yes this would involve big salaries being paid to the players but the overall costs of such deals being affordable because there would be no fees), Ayew to Swansea and Mings to Bournemouth (If you are going to recruit a young centre back, why not get one who can also cover the notoriously difficult left back spot ?) are others deals done that could hae improved SAFC. Additionally there are also several prospective deals, not least of which is the proposed move of Wijnaldum to Newcastle.

I hope this helps.



Well done with learning the calendar, now how about stretching yourself with an explanation as to the relevance of this point ?


see above
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The only player there that I either agree we should have been in for or believe we could have got is Ayew. Holtby had a successful loan spell in Germany last season after generally being poor in England, that move made complete sense for him. Podolski would choose a club like Galatasary over us every day of the week. Ings isn't a free transfer, the fee will be set by tribunal. If you believe the papers, Richards chose Villa over us even though we offered higher wages because he was a Villa fan as a kid and his family are in Birmingham. There's no chance is pay £8M for a player who is no better than PVA.
 
Dutch paper reporting Newcastle are beating us because we can't compete finically with them over this move.

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