“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.”

[alzeebub]

I've seen that said often on these boards, but does it stand up to scrutiny?

Apparently not.

As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html?

 

[Charmless Man]

I've seen that said often on these boards, but does it stand up to scrutiny?

Apparently not.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html?

Of course it's bollocks. There's Christian terrorist groups in central Africa doing exactly what Muslims are doing in West Africa. We just don't report it as much, presumably because there's less oil in Central Africa.

 

[ReidysLeftLug]

I've seen that said often on these boards, but does it stand up to scrutiny?

Apparently not.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html?

@paws ...3...2...1.

"800 million dead at the hands of Muslims and their Muslamic ray guns."

 

[Frijj]

Really just depends on how you define it

 

[ReidysLeftLug]

Of course it's bollocks. There's Christian terrorist groups in central Africa doing exactly what Muslims are doing in West Africa. We just don't report it as much, presumably because there's less oil in Central Africa.

They behead them too, I thought that was only prevalent in Muslim culture.

 

[ouro]

Less than 2% off all terror attacks are by Islamists is what I read. Can't be bothered to rake for the link.

 

[Frijj]

@paws ...3...2...1.

"800 million dead at the hands of Muslims and their Muslamic ray guns."

Inaccurate though his numbers may be, Islamic terrorism is a very real threat, no?

Less than 2% off all terror attacks are by Islamists is what I read. Can't be bothered to rake for the link.

2% where?

NATO countries? OECD countries? The 'West'? The Anglosphere? Europe?

 

[Cowvahlo]

Of course it's bollocks. There's Christian terrorist groups in central Africa doing exactly what Muslims are doing in West Africa. We just don't report it as much, presumably because there's less oil in Central Africa.

Bang on about the oil, some of the worst atrocities in mankind have happened in Africa and we haven't lifted a finger, if there was oil I dare say it'd be a very different story.

 

[ReidysLeftLug]

Inaccurate though his numbers may be, Islamic terrorism is a very real threat, no?

I would say terrorism is a very real threat, regardless of its origins. Are Muslims not under increasing threat as a result of actions by a minority which are leading them to be generalised? In my opinion that seems more dangerous than a bunch of nutters we could refuse to give any air time to.

 

[Deleted User 2893]

@paws ...3...2...1.

"800 million dead at the hands of Muslims and their Muslamic ray guns."

Don't forget about all the attempted abductions by the muslamics too

 

[AlpineExile]

Less than 2% off all terror attacks are by Islamists is what I read. Can't be bothered to rake for the link.

But what's the %age for 'deadly terror attacks'?

 

[ReidysLeftLug]

Inaccurate though his numbers may be, Islamic terrorism is a very real threat, no?



2% where?

NATO countries? OECD countries? The 'West'? The Anglosphere? Europe?

In the EU I believe, if we turn the tables and consider terrorist attacks in the middle-east by Westerners I imagine the % would be a lot higher. Again, as you say... it depends how you define it.

 

[Frijj]

I would say terrorism is a very real threat, regardless of its origins. Are Muslims not under increasing threat as a result of actions by a minority which are leading them to be generalised? In my opinion that seems more dangerous than a bunch of nutters we could refuse to give any air time to.

I'm unsure. Are the statistics for the amount of racially/ethnically/religiously motivated crimes against Muslims or those perceived to be Muslims available?

Do you think that religiously motivated hate crimes are worse than killing thousands on tubes, planes and in buildings?

 

[Deleted User 2893]

Bang on about the oil, some of the worst atrocities in mankind have happened in Africa and we haven't lifted a finger, if there was oil I dare say it'd be a very different story.

We should go to war in africa, they have diamonds which we can then buy oil with, saves all of these 'we only went to war in iraq because if the oil' conspiracies

 

[Frijj]

In the EU I believe, if we turn the tables and consider terrorist attacks in the middle-east by Westerners I imagine the % would be a lot higher. Again, as you say... it depends how you define it.

By Westerner would be exclude Muslim from that, because a high percentage of ISIS fighters will be Western defectors.

 

[Cowvahlo]

We should go to war in africa, they have diamonds which we can then buy oil with, saves all of these 'we only went to war in iraq because if the oil' conspiracies

I'm surprised we haven't gone into try and exploit the natural reserves of Africa, missed a trick there that China are getting in on. Mind you, Ebola and bad aids are pretty good reasons not to go there.

 

[AlpineExile]

I'm surprised we haven't gone into try and exploit the natural reserves of Africa, missed a trick there that China are getting in on. Mind you, Ebola and bad aids are pretty good reasons not to go there.

As are human rights.

 

[Deleted User 2893]

As are human rights.

Pff.. Always a leftie on hand to scupper a good war plan

 

[ReidysLeftLug]

I'm unsure. Are the statistics for the amount of racially/ethnically/religiously motivated crimes against Muslims or those perceived to be Muslims available?

Do you think that religiously motivated hate crimes are worse than killing thousands on tubes, planes and in buildings?

I do not think there is any worse, I think it is all bad regardless of the origin. Man should not kill man. When I come on here and see these threads and give my input, which is generally in attempt to balance out the anti-Islam shite, it isn't to get one up on the West or even show that Muslims are better than the west, it is simply to level the playing field as all you see and hear is "Islam this, Islam that". Before it is said, "does that not raise the question that maybe Islam is bad?", no it does not as I recognise reform in religious spheres does not happen overnight. You can see that with the arab spring and what is happening in Pakistan now, reform has began. What does not help is a template of a modern state being applied from the west, in my opinion this is a contributing factor to terrorism and anti-West sentiment.

 

[Narraback]

How many non Muslim terrorists attacks have there been in the UK in the last 15 years? How many non Muslims have been convicted of terrorist attacks in the UK in the last 15 years? That article is bullshit.