David Warner

[Mackem00]

I hope you are taking the piss here?

In no way at all is that remotely anywhere near cheating man FFS

I think it is when it's blatantly conning the umpire.

Akin to diving in football.

When did we become so desperate to win that anything is acceptable? Sad state of affairs imo.

What about the other 2 examples?

 

[Carteron]

I hope you are taking the piss here?

In no way at all is that remotely anywhere near cheating man FFS

Definition of cheating:

cheat
(chēt)
v. cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats
v.tr.
1. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
2. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
3. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
4. To elude; escape: cheat death.
v.intr.
1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
3. Informal To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.
4. Sports To position oneself closer to a certain area than is normal or expected: The shortstop cheated toward second base.
n.
1. An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle.
2. One who cheats; a swindler.
3. A technique that exploits a flaw or hidden feature in a video game or computer program.
4. Law Fraudulent acquisition of another's property.
5. Botany Any of several species of brome, especially Bromus secalinus, an annual European grass widespread as a weed.


Many of these covered under not walking. Commonly accepted or done within cricket doesn't make it not cheating. Don't get me wrong, when I was younger I was guilty of it at times myself, but still very much aware it made me a cheat.

 

[johnson]

Definition of cheating:

cheat
(chēt)
v. cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats
v.tr.
1. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
2. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
3. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
4. To elude; escape: cheat death.
v.intr.
1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
3. Informal To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.
4. Sports To position oneself closer to a certain area than is normal or expected: The shortstop cheated toward second base.
n.
1. An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle.
2. One who cheats; a swindler.
3. A technique that exploits a flaw or hidden feature in a video game or computer program.
4. Law Fraudulent acquisition of another's property.
5. Botany Any of several species of brome, especially Bromus secalinus, an annual European grass widespread as a weed.


Many of these covered under not walking. Commonly accepted or done within cricket doesn't make it not cheating. Don't get me wrong, when I was younger I was guilty of it at times myself, but still very much aware it made me a cheat.

Its not cheating though

The rules say the umpire makes the decision, you don't do his job for him, you aren't saying you didn't hit it, just waiting for the umpire to make a decision

It is the same as a defender fouling a striker in the penalty area, then pretending he got the ball. Is he cheating my not telling the ref its a pen? Of course not, its totally down to the umpire.

Nobody in the game walks.

 

[Mackem00]

Its not cheating though

The rules say the umpire makes the decision, you don't do his job for him, you aren't saying you didn't hit it, just waiting for the umpire to make a decision

It is the same as a defender fouling a striker in the penalty area, then pretending he got the ball. Is he cheating my not telling the ref its a pen? Of course not, its totally down to the umpire.

Nobody in the game walks.

Why pretend to not have hit the ball then?

Why deny hitting it when questioned by the bowler/fielders?

What about when a ball doesn't carry and still claiming the catch? Just doing "anything it takes" to win?

It's conning just like diving. You know you've hit it/dived over a leg and you are hoping the umpire/ref misses it/is fooled by it.

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

Jonathan Agnew annoys the hell out of me.

Awful commentator, head is so far up the ECB's arse, I half expect him to get some sort of role with them soon

Not walking when youve clearly hit the ball is cheating like.
As is claiming a catch when it hasnt carried.
Collingwoods actions against New Zealand didnt sit well with me and im a big fan of the lad.

All done in the name of win at all costs.

I don't like cheating, but I don't class sledging as cheating (all depends what folk define as cheating. Sometimes the umpire needs help though). I've seen Steven Finn cheat at Durham, thankfully Durham ended up winning though.

 

[Mackem00]

I don't like cheating, but I don't class sledging as cheating (all depends what folk define as cheating. Sometimes the umpire needs help though). I've seen Steven Finn cheat at Durham, thankfully Durham ended up winning though.

I don't think sledging is cheating like.

 

[Carteron]

Its not cheating though

The rules say the umpire makes the decision, you don't do his job for him, you aren't saying you didn't hit it, just waiting for the umpire to make a decision

It is the same as a defender fouling a striker in the penalty area, then pretending he got the ball. Is he cheating my not telling the ref its a pen? Of course not, its totally down to the umpire.

Nobody in the game walks.

I disagree in that there actually some individuals who walk, you see it regularly these days, more so since the likes of Gilchrist started to do it in their era.

And football-wise, yes I do think it is cheating. Just because the majority do it doesn't justify it.

Out of interest, where does the line sit for you? Non-walking when you know you hit it is ok? What about a wicket keeper breaking the stumps before having the ball in his hands but "letting" the umpire give him out?

 

[smoker]

I disagree in that there actually some individuals who walk, you see it regularly these days, more so since the likes of Gilchrist started to do it in their era.

And football-wise, yes I do think it is cheating. Just because the majority do it doesn't justify it.

Out of interest, where does the line sit for you? Non-walking when you know you hit it is ok? What about a wicket keeper breaking the stumps before having the ball in his hands but "letting" the umpire give him out?

Prior did that for England. Embarrassing and a disgrace. Cricket, as the 'gentleman's' sport used to be above gamesmanship, but it has steadily crept in from the 1970s. Glad the ICC are taking a stand against abusive sledging.

 

[johnson]

Why pretend to not have hit the ball then?

Why deny hitting it when questioned by the bowler/fielders?

What about when a ball doesn't carry and still claiming the catch? Just doing "anything it takes" to win?

It's conning just like diving. You know you've hit it/dived over a leg and you are hoping the umpire/ref misses it/is fooled by it.

You aren't pretending not to hit it are you? You are waiting for the umpire to make a decision, it isn't your decision to make.

In no way at all is that cheating, not even remotely close, my comparison to football above is spot on I think.

Prior did that for England. Embarrassing and a disgrace. Cricket, as the 'gentleman's' sport used to be above gamesmanship, but it has steadily crept in from the 1970s. Glad the ICC are taking a stand against abusive sledging.

Not this shit again, probably why England were absolutely awful for so long.

 

[Mackem00]

You aren't pretending not to hit it are you? You are waiting for the umpire to make a decision, it isn't your decision to make.

In no way at all is that cheating, not even remotely close, my comparison to football above is spot on I think.

You see no problem in pretending you caught a ball that fell just short or a pretendy stumping when you know you didn't make it?

I completely disagree with your comparison. It's all trying to con or hope the ref/umpire makes a wrong decision. Sad as fuck really. People should stop trying to cheat there way around their own deficiencies.

Ye out/not out mate. Take it like a man.

We'll have people taking their bat home before long cos the nasty man said ye out.

 

[johnson]

You see no problem in pretending you caught a ball that fell just short or a pretendy stumping when you know you didn't make it?

I completely disagree with your comparison. It's all trying to con or hope the ref/umpire makes a wrong decision. Sad as fuck really. People should stop trying to cheat there way around their own deficiencies.

Ye out/not out mate. Take it like a man.

We'll have people taking their bat home before long cos the nasty man said ye out.

No I am on about not walking, it is not against the rules at all, so how can it be cheating. So people should walk when they are plum LBW? absolute nonsense

Players get given out when they haven't hit it, its swings and round a bouts, no idea why you are trying to turn it into a moral issue, complete nonsense.

 

[Mackem00]

No I am on about not walking, it is not against the rules at all, so how can it be cheating. So people should walk when they are plum LBW? absolute nonsense

Players get given out when they haven't hit it, its swings and round a bouts, no idea why you are trying to turn it into a moral issue, complete nonsense.

I've asked you about 3 times regarding players pretending theyve caught a ball/took a stumping. Is this acceptable in your win at all costs views?

 

[johnson]

I've asked you about 3 times regarding players pretending theyve caught a ball/took a stumping. Is this acceptable in your win at all costs views?

No pretending you have caught isn't right IMO, but in no way you can comparing it to not walking. Players aren't claiming they didn't hit it, they are just waiting for the umpire to make a decision.

 

[smoker]

You aren't pretending not to hit it are you? You are waiting for the umpire to make a decision, it isn't your decision to make.

In no way at all is that cheating, not even remotely close, my comparison to football above is spot on I think.



Not this shit again, probably why England were absolutely awful for so long.

Not this shit again, younguns thinking being a complete dick is part and parcel of success.

 

[johnson]

Not this shit again, younguns thinking being a complete dick is part and parcel of success.

How is not walking being a complete dick?

Nobody walks anymore, and very very very few have ever consistently walked in the history of the game.

 

[smoker]

How is not walking being a complete dick?

Nobody walks anymore, and very very very few have ever consistently walked in the history of the game.

Rubbish. If you know you hit it, the tradition has always been to walk. How many batsmen wait for the umpire when they've thick edged it?

Gilchrist and Tendulkar walked in massive world cup games in recent times. Even Stuart fecking Broad walked in Australia last winter.

 

[brandon]

Awful commentator, head is so far up the ECB's arse, I half expect him to get some sort of role with them soon

Ha'way Muchy man! Aggers might be a friend of the ECB but to say he's an awful commentator is insane. He's the voice of TMS, that itself automatically makes him class. I take it you've never played Brian Lara Cricket for the Play Station?!

 

[Mackem DJ]

Doesnt matter what constitutes cheating - David Warner is still a total bellend.

 

[johnson]

Rubbish. If you know you hit it, the tradition has always been to walk. How many batsmen wait for the umpire when they've thick edged it?

Gilchrist and Tendulkar walked in massive world cup games in recent times. Even Stuart fecking Broad walked in Australia last winter.

You can't seriously believe that? Cuckoo land

 

[The Spezial One]

The spirit of cricket died when Gary Pratt was brought on the filed of play.

Don't walk. Ever.