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Fireball07 said:
Well done @Bop mate, enjoy your winnings! Although not sure about this Cattermole-hating business...
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Toned it down on that front now that his performances have improved this season. I'll admit he's been one of our best players - just didn't get the hype last season when he was constantly making errors to which people were turning a blind eye.
 
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Jermain Defoe confirmation likely to come tomorrow now, but don't panic, don't panic. Really don't.
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Bop said:
Not claiming to be ITK here but I've just had a mate ring me to say he's had a tip off that Defoe is signing for us tomorrow. He has no connection to Sunderland this lad so would be a random one for him to make up. He wouldn't tell me who is source is, but through his job I imagine he has a few decent contacts.

Just put £20 on it at 2/1 in case - he's put £100 on it.

Will wait and see.
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Fast approaching the world record for the number of replies to a post.
 
Right Brainless said:
I look at the 10m Stoke paid spurs for a 30 yo crouch, plus wages. I think we've done canny
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You could be right Right, right.
In the same deal as Crouchie Stoke paid £8m for Palacios who proved to be no use at all. In the madness that is Prem/Sky money you could argue that Crouchie was worth it...I don't know. I guess the Defoe signing will be judged in the fullness of time. If he is at his best you certainly have something different. I remember him playing against Stoke as an 18 year old on loan at Bournemouth. ..he absolutely murdered us on his own.Bournemouth won 1-O , none of our defenders got anywhere near him
 
I'm hoying a fiver on Defoe first scorer we win 1-0 at I would say an average of 22/1 for the remaining games. I'm also putting £5 on us drawing every game and putting £ 25 on us being relegated at 3/1. As far as I can see, either the first one comes in a few times or one of the other two will see me up.
 
Went to an England game at Old Trafford, must have been late 2006, with a friend of mine who wasn't that much into football. We were on the back row of the top tier, any further back and we'd have been outside. We're watching the players warm up, and without binoculars you can't tell who's who, only Crouch cause he's unmissable. Two slight lads are hitting the ball between each other and my friend asks who they are. Without thinking I said 'It's Cole and Defoe. Or Defoe and Cole. They all look the same from up here' - obviously meaning the players in general.

There's a racially diverse family sat immediately in front, and they took a good long look at us.
 
Sorry this was going to be a short post but as I can type fast and Excel quickly makes canny stat tables it ended up longer :lol:

Anyway, appearances per goal (Premier League only stats) can be to varied for some players simply due to being subbed on/off yet some hoy this figure about as if this is the main stat for a player. It shouldn't be and a example being Jozy and Wickham who only average 50 mins per appearance last time I checked which is quite low. Players like Aguero average mid 70's I think which is what you'd expect for a more regular player who's a regular starter if fit and will play longer.

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Here's Defoe's stats hoyed into a table below to show a bit more info on his appearances, subs, goals, mis per appearance and mins per goal etc. I took them from here but can't be arsed to proof check they are correct as his Portsmouth figures are also in there.

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As you can see below Defoe does gets 1 goal in 3 appearances but as he's been subbed quite a lot then he's got a low average mins on pitch per appearance. He actually scores a goal every 188 mins he's on the pitch which is just over 2 full games. In the first table that shows the last 5 seasons of him being at Spurs, his stats were better than his overall from 2003-2014 which included being at Portsmouth.

2009 to 2014 stats
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                         Full  Sub  Sub        Mins     App   Mins
            App    Mins   App   On  Off  Goals  App    Goal   Goal
2013/2014    14    426      3   11    0    1    30    14.00    426
2012/2013    34    2410    16    7   11   11    71     3.09    219
2011/2012    25    1285     9   14    2   11    51     2.27    117
2010/2011    22    1479     9    6    7    4    67     5.50    370
2009/2010    34    2570    13    3   18   18    76     1.89    143
OVERALL     129    8170    50   41   38   45    63     2.87    182

2003 to 2014 stats
Code: 
                         Full  Sub  Sub        Mins     App   Mins
            App    Mins   App   On  Off  Goals  App    Goal   Goal
2013/2014    14    426      3   11    0    1    30    14.00    426
2012/2013    34    2410    16    7   11   11    71     3.09    219
2011/2012    25    1285     9   14    2   11    51     2.27    117
2010/2011    22    1479     9    6    7    4    67     5.50    370
2009/2010    34    2570    13    3   18   18    76     1.89    143
2008/2009     8     560     5    2    1    3    70     2.67    187
2007/2008    19     523     1   16    2    4    28     4.75    131
2006/2007    34    1929    12   14    8   10    57     3.40    193
2005/2006    36    2220    16   13    7    9    62     4.00    247
2004/2005    35    2528    18    7   10   13    72     2.69    194
2003/2004    14    1190    10    1    3    7    85     2.00    170
OVERALL     275   17120   112    94  69   91    62     3.02    188


No doubt some will say he only got 1 goal in 14 appearances in his last season at Spurs and will totally disregard he only spent an average of 30 mins on the pitch. He still got a goal every 426 mins which is better than Jozy and possibly a few other strikers this season. Plus is it not harder to get into a game with less time on the pitch? 30 mins may only mean a few touches of the ball if that!

Even though he scored 1 in the league in 2013-14, he also scored 9 goals in the Europa/League cup while only being on the pitch for 750 mins so a goal every 84 mins! Look at his stats in 2010-2011 as he was getting a goal every 117 mins he was on the pitch yet some will only see the 11 goals in 25 and say just under a goal every 2 games.

Another example of why Appearances Per Goal is a bit misleading is for Chicharito. His appearances per goal is good but when you look at mins per goal then he's in the Premier League all time top 5 and IIRC he was number 1 at one point.

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37 goals in 102 Appearances
Avg Appearances per Goal: 2.75
Total minutes on pitch: 4792
Avg Mins per Appearance: 47 mins
Avg Mins per Goal: 130 (1.45 90 min games)


One thing a few people are overlooking is that although his stats are good, it was also due to the fact he was in a good team. As I've said previously, there's no way Ronaldo etc would get the same stats at SAFC so why do some seem to think Defoe will without question get the same stats as he did before but now being in a weaker team with older legs?

I think he will do very well to get the same stats overall at SAFC of 180 mins pitch time per goal. He may well bang in 10 goals the rest of the season (quite doable IMO if he gets a hat trick against a shit team at home for example) which would be f***ing class but will he maintain that over time? He will also offer more to other players but who knows what's going to happen but I hope he does well at SAFC :cool:
 
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I watched Defoe develop when he was a kid, he played against my sons team many times when he played for st Bonaventure, Forest gate, he was a goal scorer then, always looked a good player.
 
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