Fulwell Mackem
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Bit hypocritical of you.
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Bit hypocritical of you.
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johnson
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Strauss? for fuck sake man
Prior too,
Some remarkable claims there like.
I think the words "Massive shout" come to mind.
dangermows
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Strauss? for fuck sake man
Prior too,
Some remarkable claims there like.
We are comparing players to other international players. How many of the teams would Strauss and Prior have gotten into?
Prior is a wicket keeper who was in the team for his ability to get runs. His glove work at times was absolutely laughable.
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johnson
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How many teams wouldn't of Prior got into at his height? He was the best wicket keeper/batsmen in the world, name someone who was better during that period.
You are seriously way off with Prior like.
Also a quick one on strauss, he scored over 7000 runs at over 40, scored 21 centuries and was england's second most successful captain in terms of win percentage. Aye average. Anyone could of captained that team, blah blah blah.
dangermows
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Sangakkara (sp?)
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Brexit
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Has anyone on this forum ever lacked self-awareness as much as this numpty? Pretty sure he has blocked me after the last time I pointed it out to him and he took a strop.
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Brexit
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Sangakarra. Easy.
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johnson
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Aye I'll give you that like, but you are taking about one of the best batsmen ever there, who else.
Boucher? Haddin? Dhoni?
Don't think so, fair enough you rate KP, I loved him too, but you are totally wrong just to dismiss the records of these players. They were fantastic players for England, and will be remembered for that. I don't get why you are dismissing these players to back up KP, the 2 aren't related at all.
If Buttler gets near to performing like Prior did for England, he will of had a very successful career for England.
And if we can find another "average" opener who can score 21 centuries for England, then we will do well also. Because I don't see anyone coming along
Have we replaced Strauss yet? he retired 2 years ago, strange that isn't it
dangermows
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I actually think Haddin is a good shout. as is Boucher.
Yes, they were part of a team that has given me the most enjoyment watching English cricket. However, I was using them as an example to show just how good KP was when you consider how highly people like you rate these lesser players. You cannot be getting shot of your star player cos he ruffles a few feathers (IMO).
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johnson
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They didn't though mate, they managed him for 10 years, and he scored over 8,000 test runs, he had a hell of a run. Things just became to much in the end, and he wasn't scoring the runs he used to. It isn't like they got rid of him in his prime. If you think I have always hated KP, you are totally totally mistaken, it is only since text gate, and the way he has used Piers Morgan to totally abuse good men like Andrew Strauss, Matt Prior. They are obviously not KP type of people, but they kept their mouths shut (until Strauss off air).
Look at Strauss, what an awful way to go out in your last test, should of been remembered for a great player and captain going out, instead it as hijacked by KP text gate, probably forcing Strauss to retire slightly earlier than he wanted. Did Strauss slate KP in his book for this? I would of. No he just says he was disappointed that he had done it, was very fair on him.
I just find it ironic that KP is crying bully, as he comes across as very much the school yard bully to me. Fair enough you loved KP, but I don;t know how you can't see some of these claims, and name calling by KP aren't really totally out of order.
Don;t you find what he has said about Flower really really harsh? Flower is known by everyone in the cricket world as a good man, and was an amazing coach for England. He is spoke about so harshly here. Some of the things Flower did against Zimbabwe's regime were unbelievable.
I guess I am surprised you still have so much love for KP after the way he has talked here.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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Aggers wasn't bullied by Mrs KP or KP last night. As I mentioned, I noticed Aggers re-tweeted a tweet off some randomer wishing he got Ebola which is bang out of order. You cannot blame Mrs KP and/or KP for that.
At the same time, Mrs KP was called a slag which she retweeted as well. Twitter is what it is, all the "verified celebrities" get a load of abuse.
To associate the Ebola tweet with KP/Mrs KP is pathetic and very unfair.
"certain aspects of what he (KP) says I can truly believe. You know the bullying stuff, I see Ricky (Ponting) has also come out and said it,
when you play against England you always knew that if you could get a few stephs ahead of them that they would start turning on each other,
that the egos would start to play a role, certainly on the bowling front, it was always a tactic of ours"
Graeme Smith
How did pointing get on against these bullies?.
Haven't a clue who he is.
You play up the achievements of Jimmy Anderson in the bowling department which is 100% right of you to do but seemingly dismiss over 8000 test runs by KP. Hmmmmm
Very good post. What I find a tad confusing about this bullying is people say KP needs to toughen up about it, then slag him off/accuse him off bullying the likes of Aggers on twitter. People seem to want it both ways when hammering KP
You've only mentioned Atherton and Nasser who work for Sky. Hardly "most of the cricketing world"
I've read Bob Willis, Carberry, Shahzad, Tremlett, Vaughan, Ponting, Smith and Giles come out in support of KP by saying they can well believe his claims/he was no bother. Even Swann said he had no problem with KP several month ago and was shocked at his sacking. Shane Warne was laughing at the dossier on twitter the other day.
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Icarebecauseyoudo
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The looking out of the window bit is funny
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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Something KP praised the other day
mackembhoy
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Not stating that at all. Just it's the case of the face fitting. They had to put up with KP because of his quality, as soon as they got a chance where his form wasn't as good as it can be they dropped him citing "cricket reasons" when that clearly wasn't the issue.
Ben Stokes should have played every test over the summer yet for some reason didn't. He got dropped after Lords when he was easily the best bowler. Somehow woakes and jordan got picked ahead of him!! Somehow they've also been given central contracts ahead of plunkett too.
FYI I'm not comparing the sitautions, but the better cricketers in Plunkett and Stokes should be ahead of Woakes and Jordan. But who are the two with issues off the pitch? And which faces fit the ECB better?
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Icarebecauseyoudo
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Stokes is ahead of woakes and Jordan
Plunkett? Meh
Plunkett? Meh
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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new lad, easy scapegoat target
mackembhoy
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Stokes got dropped for woakes due to getting 3 ducks. When he was the best bowler at Lords. Plunkett also bowled miles better than woakes/jordan did over the summer.
I'd prefer to see this anyway, but plunkett and finn can be interchangeable, the other 2 should be nowhere near the side.
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johnson
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KP said to Cook he needed "thicker skin" when he asked to him ask Morgan to stop tweeting.
That is the most hypocritical thing I have ever heard, and you have just proved that with your ludicrous comment.
Shahzad?
jesus wept.Where did I dismiss KP's runs? You are putting words in my mouth, read my posts ffs. I was responding to a comment.....that you agreed with....that there are average players in the team who tow the party line.
I'll ask you the same question, who are these average players? You don't have any answers, just more accusations.
I agree about Stokes, but I think you are reading a bit too much into it.
You couldn't say Jordan fits the bill of the typical ECB cricketer, he is all over the place, they just see something in him. Personally I think he should be absolutely nowhere near the England team, and agree Stokes should be playing, said all along that it is a disgrace that he got dropped for runs, when batting at 8.
I know mate but it goes back to 2012, he really should of been dropped then to be honest, when he came back in, the players were hardly going to welcome him with open arms were they? I don't understand why KP then thought he should of been in the inner circle.
I could understand all these arguments if this had happened 3 or 4 years ago, but KP has been in the team for 10 years, he has had plenty of 2nd chances. I have never disliked him up until 2012, its a mistake if I have given that impression, but I just don't think he can complain. He has done all sorts down the years, and the ECB have accommodated him time after time. I don't think its that big of a deal to cut ties when he is 34.
It has happened time after time over the years with players from countries all over the world, not just the ECB.
I just find KP's book very childish and just about score settling, it has no importance at all, fair enough he is angry that he was dropped, I get that, but all the other stuff is just nonsense, so irrelevant its untrue.
I have read numerous cricket autobiographies, Nassers for example, he is always discussing anecdotes of player bust up, players getting massive bollockings etc. It goes on in dressing rooms. Feels like he is just trying to cause a stir to get his own back.
Search Flower and KP in google, there are 10s of articles from a few years ago when KP is praising Flower, saying he is the best coach he has ever played under, and all this stuff. So was all that lies?
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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KP said to Cook he needed "thicker skin" when he asked to him ask Morgan to stop tweeting.
That is the most hypocritical thing I have ever heard, and you have just proved that with your ludicrous comment.
Shahzad?
Where did I dismiss KP's runs? You are putting words in my mouth, read my posts ffs. I was responding to a comment.....that you agreed with....that there are average players in the team who tow the party line.
I'll ask you the same question, who are these average players? You don't have any answers, just more accusations.
It's worth noting these are all alleged comments, but regardless of that you seem to be branding KP a bully yet totally dismissing his bullying claims, which I guess suits your agenda. Staggering that some people are even blaming him for Aggers doing a Swanny last night.
You laugh about Shahzad but I am just throwing in another name, nothing more nothing less. You suggested "most of the cricketing world" yet mention only 2 people, very odd. Who are "most of the cricketing world" you talk about. Name names, show me quotes as I am keen to see what "most of the cricketing world" has to say about it.
I haven't mentioned anything about average players. You cannot argue with Cook's batting record but he's been made to be one of the biggest puppets in English sporting history by The ECB which I find quite sad as it's badly affected his game and confidence
From the way KP was talking on SSN on Monday, "The ECB have made it really difficult for Cookie, when I got sacked, he sat there, staring at the ground"
First bit is interesting, did Cook want to keep KP and the ECB basically told Cook tough??
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