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johnson said:
Aye but that was due to back to back ashes

remember normally, they would have a full 18 months to bask in the glory of being Ashes winners.

KP's whole point is mute, this culture, this bullying, it f***ing worked, it got us to the best side in the world, then our players started getting older, and the team came to an end..

Simple, no issues at all.
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Funny how playing back to back Ashes didn't hamper the over 30's in Australia's team.

The previous summer's 3-0 was flattering. Bell was the only batsman who turned up and we could have had no complaints if it ended 2-2.
 

johnson said:
I just don't get this at all, who cares??? I hope they were, England's game was to play attritional cricket, and it worked, they were the best side in the world. The aim isn't to make friends like, you do whatever you need to get the team ethos geared up to winning. That is the point, even if they were harsh on fielders, its totally irrelevant, what ever they did......it worked!.
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If it worked then why haven't we been the number one test team for the last 2 years?

I don't agree with ruling by fear and it's obviously harmed the ethos of the team. And we now find ourselves in a massive transitional period. Beating a shocking india side hasn't proven anything yet.
 
Fats said:
After the way Swann deserted the sinking ship does anyone really care what he has to say?

KP is, was, does, did. You either like him so you accept his side of the story, or you hate him & accept the establishment version. In a nutshell no-one emerges from the wreckage with any scrap of credit in tact.
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Or the truth is somewhere between the two.
 
KP is not the only piece of work in that dressing room no doubt. Anderson been a nightmare for a few years now and Broad can be an arrogant swine as well. The problem KP has got is the fact even before he had played for England he had fallen out with people left right and centre.
 
smoker said:
Funny how playing back to back Ashes didn't hamper the over 30's in Australia's team.

The previous summer's 3-0 was flattering. Bell was the only batsman who turned up and we could have had no complaints if it ended 2-2.
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That team was on its last legs, the overreaction is ridiculous, shows you how england fans have took success for granted that a 3-0 Ashes series win isn't taken as seriously as it should be.
 
blackcat1395 said:
KP doesn't even get enough credit for what he did man. There'd have been no Ashes 2005 and no T20 World Cup without him and that is fact.

Graeme Swann can fuck off. Any man who leaves an Ashes series half way through, uses the word 'codswallop' or calls his son Wilf should not be taken seriously.
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Agreed.
 
mackembhoy said:
If it worked then why haven't we been the number one test team for the last 2 years?

I don't agree with ruling by fear and it's obviously harmed the ethos of the team. And we now find ourselves in a massive transitional period. Beating a shocking india side hasn't proven anything yet.
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Mate you can't say it didn't work, it blatantly did, one of the most successful periods in English cricket, as I said this team was coming to the end...its as simple as that, doesn't mean there was a big drama.

Things like Swann not being as effective, Cook not scoring enough runs, and Trott suffering personally problems, and Prior being seriously injured while playing for the last year.

What have they got to do with bullying or team ethos, it is nothing to do with that, it England's big players became less effective, for various reasons.

Now whether you think that team should of been freshened up earlier, is a different matter, but it would of took a big man to drop some of those names earlier.

Don't agree with KP at all, he is just bitter than he wasn't in the inner circle, and he had no right to be in the inter circle after the way he had behaved earlier.
 
johnson said:
That team was on its last legs, the overreaction is ridiculous, shows you how england fans have took success for granted that a 3-0 Ashes series win isn't taken as seriously as it should be.
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I stated at the time I had no idea how we won that series and that Australia would be a severe wake up call if nothing was done.

Obviously nothing was done.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Agreed.
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Hell of a batsman, but not a great leader or character in the dressing room, that is a different issue, and what the thread and his comments were about.

He should of been sacked in 2012, but they kept him in because the knew how good a batter he was, so that has never ever been in doubt.
 
mackembhoy said:
I stated at the time I had no idea how we won that series and that Australia would be a severe wake up call if nothing was done.

Obviously nothing was done.
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you what? we were the better team by far, and if it hadn't been for ridiculous umpiring taking us off for bad light, we would of won 4-0

I will repeat, shows you how complacent you became that you didn't appreciate that 3-0 win.

It takes a hell of a lot of effort to win an Ashes series 3-0, players delivering at key moments, and that's what they did.

Bell with his runs, Swann with his wickets, Jimmy in the 1st test, Broad at Durham.

How can you just dismiss those moments? Those were world class England players delivering match winning moments when it mattered.

GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
He bottled the series, got no time for him. He's also not funny.
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He isn't funny, but he has been one of the best English bowlers and spin bowlers in modern times.

Take away all the chuckers that are now rightfully getting called, and it makes what he did even more remarkable. Very narrow minded view point you have there like.
 
johnson said:
Hell of a batsman, but not a great leader or character in the dressing room, that is a different issue, and what the thread and his comments were about.

He should of been sacked in 2012, but they kept him in because the knew how good a batter he was, so that has never ever been in doubt.
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Yet sacked for "cricketing reasons" - canny cop out that was.

The "characters" in the dressing room were all "yes men", doing as they were told by the ECB. If the test match started on a Saturday but the ECB told Cook to tell everyone it started on a Sunday, Cook would have gone along with what he was told instead of pointing out the fact it started on a Saturday. KP's biggest problem was he spoke his mind which I'll never ever think is a bad thing.

johnson said:
He isn't funny, but he has been one of the best English bowlers and spin bowlers in modern times.

Take away all the chuckers that are now rightfully getting called, and it makes what he did even more remarkable. Very narrow minded view point you have there like.
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He fucked off when the going got tough and left his team mates struggling 12000 mile from home, he then gets a role in media and think he has a right to comment on those team mates he fucked off and left. No time for him sadly.
 
One thing for sure KP never played an inings like Stokes did at Perth during the Ashes. Three Ashes tours and never scored a hundred away from the flat spinner friendly track at Adelaide. Genuine pace on quick wickets always found him out.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Yet sacked for "cricketing reasons" - canny cop out that was.

The "characters" in the dressing room were all "yes men", doing as they were told by the ECB. If the test match started on a Saturday but the ECB told Cook to tell everyone it started on a Sunday, Cook would have gone along with what he was told instead of pointing out the fact it started on a Saturday. KP's biggest problem was he spoke his mind which I'll never ever think is a bad thing.



He fucked off when the going got tough and left his team mates struggling 12000 mile from home, he then gets a role in media and think he has a right to comment on those team mates he fucked off and left. No time for him sadly.
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Strange how they were so successful then isn't it, bizarre almost.

You don't need a team full of mavericks man ffs

and how can you have a go at Cook? He has been just as invaluable, if not more valuable as KP as a batsmen.

wayne entwhistle no9 said:
One thing for sure KP never played an inings like Stokes did at Perth during the Ashes. Three Ashes tours and never scored a hundred away from the flat spinner friendly track at Adelaide. Genuine pace on quick wickets always found him out.
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excellent point, Stokes was also trying to bat to save that match.

KP would of hit a quick 30 and got out, getting praise as he scored the most runs, but making absolutely no effort to save the game
 
johnson said:
you what? we were the better team by far, and if it hadn't been for ridiculous umpiring taking us off for bad light, we would of won 4-0

I will repeat, shows you how complacent you became that you didn't appreciate that 3-0 win.

It takes a hell of a lot of effort to win an Ashes series 3-0, players delivering at key moments, and that's what they did.

Bell with his runs, Swann with his wickets, Jimmy in the 1st test, Broad at Durham.

How can you just dismiss those moments? Those were world class England players delivering match winning moments when it mattered.



He isn't funny, but he has been one of the best English bowlers and spin bowlers in modern times.

Take away all the chuckers that are now rightfully getting called, and it makes what he did even more remarkable. Very narrow minded view point you have there like.
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Bell saved us in that series it could have been easily 2-2. Bad weather stopped us getting hammered at Old Trafford.

Can you remember how close they got in the fist match? DRS on haddin won us it. We were the better team at CLS(brilliant by broad as you say) and Lords but the other 3 could so have easily gone to the Aussies.
 
johnson said:
Strange how they were so successful then isn't it, bizarre almost.

You don't need a team full of mavericks man ffs

and how can you have a go at Cook? He has been just as invaluable, if not more valuable as KP as a batsmen.



excellent point, Stokes was also trying to bat to save that match.

KP would of hit a quick 30 and got out, getting praise as he scored the most runs, but making absolutely no effort to save the game
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Cook very good cricketer but a complete "yes man". KP a very good cricketer but not a "yes man". Nobody is disputing who the successful crickets were and weren't. I doubt we'll see a Botham/Pietersen (people who can come up with their own opinions) playing for England any time soon.
 
johnson said:
That team was on its last legs, the overreaction is ridiculous, shows you how england fans have took success for granted that a 3-0 Ashes series win isn't taken as seriously as it should be.
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How was it any more 'on its last legs' than Australia, with the likes of Haddin (36), Rogers (36), Harris (33), Watson (32) and Johnson (31)?

And if it was 'on its last legs', whose fault is that?
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
One thing for sure KP never played an inings like Stokes did at Perth during the Ashes. Three Ashes tours and never scored a hundred away from the flat spinner friendly track at Adelaide. Genuine pace on quick wickets always found him out.
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Over 8000 test runs for England, he was a class act, nobody can dress it up any other way. World Champion as well. I hope we find plenty other batsmen who are "found out" who can produce over 8000 test runs
 
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