Benks was not the victim of circumstances he was the victim of indecision by management. Cook stepped aside as Head coach creating a vacancy in the coaching structure which should have enabled a pro- active management to accommodate Benks within it. He virtually carried this club in his first years here and has been an outstanding figurehead throughout. He surely deserved better treatment than he has been given. Colly has stepped outside the club to gain coaching experience.
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The Omega Man
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The problem is though this isnt going to continue is it? It looks as though Colly has fucked off to England. I dont have a problem with him going anywhere but the fact is that he turned the club upside down, Benks was a shoe in for the job and now Colly seems intent on going leaving everyone else to clean up the shite. What Colly did was remarkable last season and the season before - he is a clear leader, very influential but frankly I dont like his methods (I'm not going to say anymore on that) but if he going to be the catalyst for major change at the club then he should see it through not fuckoff from the club. As you can see I feel quite strongly about this.
I have to say I'm pleased to counter all of this that Killeen has been brought in officially behind the scenes to help the bowlers out. He is clearly one of the best cricket coaches in the country and will be a God send for DCCC.
However Colly should not have been allowed to have such an influence on Cooks replacement. The decision looks to have been made by Colly not the Board, thats how it looks to everyone whether thats right or wrong. As someone has already said the management and administration at Durham looks inept and need to get their act together. How Harker is still there having been warned umpteen times at Durham CCC meetings by the members not to take his eye of the clubs finances - do exactly that and the cricket club end up in the shite - is f***ing mystifying. The bloke has absolutely no shame IMHO, waltzing off to Buckingham Palace with the lads with the CC trophy looked embarrassing to me. He should be nowhere to be seen quite frankly.
Rant over.
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johnson
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The problem is though this isnt going to continue is it? It looks as though Colly has fucked off to England. I dont have a problem with him going anywhere but the fact is that he turned the club upside down, Benks was a shoe in for the job and now Colly seems intent on going leaving everyone else to clean up the shite. What Colly did was remarkable last season and the season before - he is a clear leader, very influential but frankly I dont like his methods (I'm not going to say anymore on that) but if he going to be the catalyst for major change at the club then he should see it through not fuckoff from the club. As you can see I feel quite strongly about this.
I have to say I'm pleased to counter all of this that Killeen has been brought in officially behind the scenes to help the bowlers out. He is clearly one of the best cricket coaches in the country and will be a God send for DCCC.
However Colly should not have been allowed to have such an influence on Cooks replacement. The decision looks to have been made by Colly not the Board, thats how it looks to everyone whether thats right or wrong. As someone has already said the management and administration at Durham looks inept and need to get their act together. How Harker is still there having been warned umpteen times at Durham CCC meetings by the members not to take his eye of the clubs finances - do exactly that and the cricket club end up in the shite - is f***ing mystifying. The bloke has absolutely no shame IMHO, waltzing off to Buckingham Palace with the lads with the CC trophy looked embarrassing to me. He should be nowhere to be seen quite frankly.
Rant over.
Couldn't disagree more to be honest. Benks was notable by his absence this season.
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The Omega Man
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Aye cause he was injured getting treatment back in south africa with the blessing of DCCC!
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johnson
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Why was he back in South Africa coaching during Durham's season?
Voice of fair play
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Colly owes Durham nothing he has been a great servant to them,you make out Durham done him a favour letting him play first class cricket for them,when it was nothing of the sort,he played first class cricket for them because he was a class cricketer and would have been good enough to get England fame with or without Durham.
We should be wishing him well whichever route he decides to take.
I'm not close to the club living in Manchester but I don't understand how this is all Collingwood's fault and Lewis isn't getting any credit whatsoever for the work he's done at the club. He coached the team for most of the season in which we won the league but he should instantly be discarded because a club legend has become available? And I also don't think Collingwood doesn't owe Durham anything, if he moves on this summer, which I doubt, I just hope he won't piss the club about with negotiating out of his contract. And I don't think he's they type of guy to do that.
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The Omega Man
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Because he wasnt fit enough to play first class cricket? He'd clearly been elbowed out of the scene at Durham so what was the point in him coming back over. Better off doing something productive in his home country.[DOUBLEPOST=1392833119][/DOUBLEPOST]
Lewis was never in the frame for the job until Colly came back. Cook and Benks had sorted out who his successor was to be.
Did Cook and Benks sort it out with the board? If not it's surely irrelevant and any gripe has to be with weak management of the board rather than Collingwood's strength of character?
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The Omega Man
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No idea but you do make a good point. Colly should not have been allowed to dictate who does and who does not become DCCC first class coach. It had nothing to do with him and as you rightly say the Board should have sorted this out themselves. And you are right in that it does, not for the first time point to weak management at the club.
Let's move on. Benks has made a good career move -he' now coaching12 months of the year and I think Durham's Academy infra-structure will ensure we'll always have a strong playing base. Particulrly pleased that Killa has an increasing role -he won't stand any bull that's for sure. We've got an anonymous and weak management structure but we've survived with it so far-let's hope some financial lessons have been learnt after last years financial mess up.
wayne entwhistle no9
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Reading this thread shows the polar opinions people have at what occurred last season after Cooks heart attack. What we do know is that the day he fell ill there was to be a meeting about the up and coming t20 campaign involving Benks and Colly. If Benks had been offered the chance to coach the side during the t20 campaign I don't know but the result was that he was not required and the Colly/Lewis axis was formed for the rest of the season.
When i first mentioned Colly on this thread my concerns where about this up and coming season and Collys preparation for it as club captain and batsmen. If Colly wants to be a coach then he should go and do it and good luck to him, but he is contracted and is the highest paid player at the club to captain and bat for Durham, not to be away coaching Scotland then England. I would have thought after his poor show with the bat last season he would have been concentrating this winter on his batting not coaching others. Or if he wanted to coach he could have been involved with Durhams young players because looking at the size of our squad he maybe calling on some of them this season, even for the MCC match in Abu Dhabi ( whoops sorry he is not available he is coaching England)
When i first mentioned Colly on this thread my concerns where about this up and coming season and Collys preparation for it as club captain and batsmen. If Colly wants to be a coach then he should go and do it and good luck to him, but he is contracted and is the highest paid player at the club to captain and bat for Durham, not to be away coaching Scotland then England. I would have thought after his poor show with the bat last season he would have been concentrating this winter on his batting not coaching others. Or if he wanted to coach he could have been involved with Durhams young players because looking at the size of our squad he maybe calling on some of them this season, even for the MCC match in Abu Dhabi ( whoops sorry he is not available he is coaching England)
smoker
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What makes you think the club is getting nowt from England and Scotland for Collingwood's time? DCCC is on the bones of its arse and Collingwood is probably in his final season. I would imagine an agreement has been reached.
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johnson
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Well John Lewis didn't do a bad job last year without benks did he.
There is no problem here.
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The Omega Man
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Well a bigger test for the lad will be how well he does when Colly isnt there. We'll find out this year it seems.
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johnson
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Yes, but Colly was always going to go this year, I don't see the problem.
It isn't like Lewis wasn't extremely successful last year, it was a miracle. Benks is obviously an all time legend but I don't see why he should of been a shoe-in for the job. Collingwood and Lewis deserve nothing but praise for how they galvanised the club after Cook's heart attack, and giving responsibility to the younger players.
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The Omega Man
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We shall see how Lewis does this year. If Colly isnt there and we win the CC again then we will clearly know that Lewis was the mastermind behind the whole championship win.
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johnson
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Well we won't win it again, that was why last year was so good. No Stokes either, so just a comfortable finish would be success for me.
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The Omega Man
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Was talking with Ben earlier on this week. No decision yet on his England Test future. We shall see what transpires.
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