Coast League Banter

[Arthur Reid]

To be fair to Murton, they are trying to develop juniors. They started with under 11s a couple of years agao and they had 13s last year. However it will be another four or five years before they have juniors who will be old enough for first team level. So I dont think it is a slight on their juniors, just an age thing.

Pleased to hear that Mr M, it would be nice to see. I think what both Sweeper and I are alluding to is that they haven't got a great track record of this in the past - preferring to spend their dosh on 'professional' players, and they suddenly seem to have 'acquired' an influx of new players, as Sweeper says.

I know that bringing along junior teams isn't just about money like - its more an investment in time etc.

 

[Old Timer]

Any cup results?

Washington beat the Harbour Washington 128 for 7 Harbour 59 for 9

 

[harmy]

hylton beat easington

easington 116 for 7

hylton 120 for 2 off 14 overs. kit allan and braithy destroyed them. kit 46 off 8 overs, braithy 53 not out.

 

[Sweeper]

Any cup results?

Washington beat the Harbour Washington 128 for 7 Harbour 59 for 9

Bloody hell what's up with the Harbour's batting?!?! Thats two shocking efforts in a week!

 

[Localshopper]

We went to Murton with a lot of players missing and put up a decent showing all things considered. We limped to 103 on a soaking wet pitch and in the end only lost by one wicket with Murton finishing 104-9.

Mind you, we werent playing "Murton" as much as a group of wanderers who all seem to have pitched up at Murton this year - not many local lads in their team with no fewer than nine players on the field for them who didnt play for Murton last season. You'd have hoped that they'd have learnt a lesson from what that approach has done to them in the recent past, but apparently not.

Just out of curiosity, how many did Washington amass before declaring?

Way out on the comment 'no fewer than nine players who didn't play for Murton last year'. Five players on the field who've always played for Murton.

 

[Old Timer]

Here is this weeks comment from the Echo:

Red-hot Ryhope hail young guns
Published on Thursday 10 May 2012 12:00


RYHOPE have put the accent firmly on youth in recent years and, after last weekend’s tremendous 3D Sports Durham Coast League performance when they trounced double champions Boldon CA, they feel they are on the right track.


Club stalwart Malcolm Dawson was full of praise for the club’s young side, telling the Echo: “Many clubs have recruited heavily this winter.

“But we have preferred to develop our youngsters and give them more and more first-team opportunities over recent seasons.

“Given our performance on Saturday, this looks like it is beginning to bear fruit.”

Ryhope’s star of the show with the bat was 17-year-old Connor Pearson, who amassed 101 from only 118 balls. Dawson enthused: “It was young Connor’s maiden century in senior cricket, and what a game to do it in!

“He batted with maturity and his batting and keeping are both showing real improvement.

“Ultimately, we want to be competitive in every game and then see where that can get us to in the league this time around.”

The new-found confidence of a side that won just three times in 2011 will be tested again this Saturday when they travel to take on another of last year’s leading teams, Seaham Harbour.

Ryhope have the boost of being able to include Dave Gilbert, with brother Lee also set to return in future weeks.

Harbour were disappointed with last week’s showing when they felt Washington batted them out of the match rather than take a more positive approach, the result being that the game ended in a grinding stalemate. They show faith to the same 11 to tackle exuberant Ryhope.

Murton and Seaham Park are the very early pace-setters, the former the only team left with an unblemished record.

Murton are at full strength with the return of Ian King for the derby visit of Easington, who have Matt Scott and Michael Robson back in contention for places.

It’s the first town derby of the “summer” with Seaham Park taking on Dawdon, and both teams are in positive mood after decent starts.

Park’s great strength is their ability to bowl teams out and, with Farukh Iqbal set to make his debut, that potency looks set to increase. Dawdon name an unchanged 11 after their crushing 10-wicket win against Peterlee last weekend.

Boldon CA were shaken but not stirred by the Ryhope result, and they bring a new signing, all-rounder Brian Conlon, straight into the starting line-up for the home game against Washington.

With key bowler Ian Male also back, CA will look to put “a bad day at the office” firmly behind them against a side who have become unwitting draw specialists with 17 of their last 24 matches ending that way.

Silksworth were relieved to get off the mark in points terms last week and are now looking to kick on a level when they entertain Bill Quay on Saturday.

For the first time in skipper Paul Smailes’ memory, they have a full squad of 13 to select from, with Darren Stoker back and Steve Wright possibly featuring just seven days after announcing his 50-over retirement.

Quay are able to include Dan Pearson and Paul Bentham after they missed last week.

The final game of the day sees bottom club Peterlee take on an unchanged Hylton side still missing Kit Allan senior.

 

[mrreal]

Harbour felt they were batted out of the match?

They win the toss and put us in. We get 175 in the 43rd over so declare.

In reply they muster 60-8 in 40 overs. Their batting pro scoring 9 runs from 70 odd balls. The only team batting them out of the game was themselves!

 

[Old Timer]

They were obviously batted out of the cup tie as well.

 

[Super Ted]

Harbour felt they were batted out of the match?

They win the toss and put us in. We get 175 in the 43rd over so declare.

In reply they muster 60-8 in 40 overs. Their batting pro scoring 9 runs from 70 odd balls. The only team batting them out of the game was themselves!

I find the comments made in the echo laughable really.

Harbour first and seconds mustered 150 runs between them in nearly 100 overs for 14 wickets. The same happened in the away fixture last year in the second division, luckily we managed to bowl them out in the end.

A bit of chit-chat was given out in the middle between our side and the opposition batsmen as to weather they were going to make any attempt to get a very average scored of 129 inside 45 overs, a "na, batting like this is class" was the reply.

Harbour were quick to point out we batted for the draw 2 years ago mind, whereby they set us 250 in 23 overs.

 

[Sweeper]

More big talk from the WCC galacticos. It's to be hoped you all back this bullishness up with some silverware!

Re the poster from Murton above. I should have said 8 rather than 9, but the point stands. Two of the five you are referring to did not play for Murton last year; certainly not against us anyway and are now seemingly out of retirement when things look a little bit on the up.

Murton have made efforts to repair their club depth/junior section in recent years so exactly why they've decided to bring in so many journeymen in one go is a little unclear. It's certainly not in keeping with any sort of long term plan.

 

[Carteron]

Pointless whining really, if you want to play limited overs cricket go and play in the County League.

Timed cricket is and always will be about bowling the other team out. If a team wants to block for a draw its their perogative, they aren't just going to roll over and die.

Yes, they maybe could go for it but they have decided not to so you need to get a bit creative and try a few things. The odd crigeworthy sledge of "whey howa man are ye not ganna gan for it" is hardly thinking outside of the box.

Get a spinner on. Try a part timer. Get 4 or 5 round the bat. Even if it doesnt work they might get a quick 15 or 20 and start fancying it again.

You say they do this all the time. On a wet one declare at 110 if you are that desparate for them to have a stab at it!

Just seems like people like to moan about it rather than think of how they can change the game.

 

[Sweeper]

Agreed. This is why Boldon will in my opinion win the league. Over the course of a season they'll consistently bowl teams out. Most Coast League teams have reasonable batting line ups but there aren't many good bowling attacks knocking about.

 

[Northeastender]

More big talk from the WCC galacticos. It's to be hoped you all back this bullishness up with some silverware!

Re the poster from Murton above. I should have said 8 rather than 9, but the point stands. Two of the five you are referring to did not play for Murton last year; certainly not against us anyway and are now seemingly out of retirement when things look a little bit on the up.

Murton have made efforts to repair their club depth/junior section in recent years so exactly why they've decided to bring in so many journeymen in one go is a little unclear. It's certainly not in keeping with any sort of long term plan.

If I may respond to your misguided point above..
The lack of junior representation is down to the fact that we only have one U18 player and 4 U15 players at the club. The junior section is only in its 3rd season and started from u11 and u13 age groups. We now also have an U15 team as well. The U18 player in question is playing 2nd team cricket and will hopefully make some 1st team appearances this year. In 4-5 years time you will hopefully start to see more youngsters coming through to first team level, hence the term 'long plan', but at the moment there simply arent any available to select.

 

[Super Ted]

Pointless whining really, if you want to play limited overs cricket go and play in the County League.

Timed cricket is and always will be about bowling the other team out. If a team wants to block for a draw its their perogative, they aren't just going to roll over and die.

Yes, they maybe could go for it but they have decided not to so you need to get a bit creative and try a few things. The odd crigeworthy sledge of "whey howa man are ye not ganna gan for it" is hardly thinking outside of the box.

Get a spinner on. Try a part timer. Get 4 or 5 round the bat. Even if it doesnt work they might get a quick 15 or 20 and start fancying it again.

You say they do this all the time. On a wet one declare at 110 if you are that desparate for them to have a stab at it!

Just seems like people like to moan about it rather than think of how they can change the game.

We hoyed the kitchen sink at them man.

We had 5 round the bat, part time bowlers on, offering to give them runs to entice them into actually maybe going for it, sticking the field out so they would maybe take singles with absolutely zero response than just sticking the wood up.

If your not going to try and win games why play at all? There are obviously certain circumstances whereby the total is totally out of reach or even a draw would be good enough to clinch the league and so on but we are one week into the season. Sticking the wood up at around 40-1 off 10 overs chasing 129 is embarrassing.

 

[Sweeper]

We hoyed the kitchen sink at them man.

We had 5 round the bat, part time bowlers on, offering to give them runs to entice them into actually maybe going for it, sticking the field out so they would maybe take singles with absolutely zero response than just sticking the wood up.

If your not going to try and win games why play at all? There are obviously certain circumstances whereby the total is totally out of reach or even a draw would be good enough to clinch the league and so on but we are one week into the season. Sticking the wood up at around 40-1 off 10 overs chasing 129 is embarrassing.

Well in that case your bowling just wasn't good enough to bowl them out. I don't see what you're whining about - they're entitled to play for the draw and if they do it's up to your bowlers to step up.

 

[Super Ted]

Well in that case you're bowling just wasn't good enough to bowl them out. I don't see what you're whining about - they're entitled to play for the draw and if they do it's up to your bowlers to step up.

Anyone can just sit there and say that, it's stating the obvious that you can just 'play out for a draw'

Do you think that's enjoyable? Do people give up weekends to play a game of cricket with the opposition making no attempt to play the game as it should be played?

I'm all for the format of cricket we play in the coast league, some weeks it can be fantastic having to take 2 or 3 wickets in the final few overs, but to put the wood up when your heading for victory after loosing 1 wicket just makes the whole set up a farce.

 

[Sweeper]

Anyone can just sit there and say that, it's stating the obvious that you can just 'play out for a draw'

Do you think that's enjoyable? Do people give up weekends to play a game of cricket with the opposition making no attempt to play the game as it should be played?

I'm all for the format of cricket we play in the coast league, some weeks it can be fantastic having to take 2 or 3 wickets in the final few overs, but to put the wood up when your heading for victory after loosing 1 wicket just makes the whole set up a farce.

Who are you to to say how the game should be played? For whatever reason they decided to play for the draw. That's there prerogative and you don't really have the right to comment on that decision. Once the decision is made the question becomes whether or not you're good enough to bowl them out and on this occasion you weren't. That's your fault not theirs.

If draws didn't count your first team would have been in a spot of bother these last few years, looking at the stats quoted in the echo round up!

 

[Carteron]

Who are you to to say how the game should be played? For whatever reason they decided to play for the draw. That's there prerogative and you don't really have the right to comment on that decision. Once the decision is made the question becomes whether or not you're good enough to bowl them out and on this occasion you weren't. That's your fault not theirs.

If draws didn't count your first team would have been in a spot of bother these last few years, looking at the stats quoted in the echo round up!

Fully agree with this. I play in the NTSL and we are constantly being told Timed Cricket is this and Timed Cricket is that. Don't get me wrong I am actually an advocate of timed cricket, but part of the deal is that teams are entitled to, and will set their stall out for the draw.

 

[Super Ted]

Who are you to to say how the game should be played? For whatever reason they decided to play for the draw. That's there prerogative and you don't really have the right to comment on that decision. Once the decision is made the question becomes whether or not you're good enough to bowl them out and on this occasion you weren't. That's your fault not theirs.

If draws didn't count your first team would have been in a spot of bother these last few years, looking at the stats quoted in the echo round up!

We'll just agree to disagree then.

I have been brought up as i thought the majority would have to go out and do all you can to win the match. A draw to me is the last resort. You can have mine and probably anyone elses word at Washington we will never just settle for a draw when a win is very very acheivable and realistic.

Don't go there with the "galacticos" comment as that is just totally irrelevant and stupid. I would rather go down trying to win a game than to not attempt it at all, otherwise i wouldn't play. Not one bit of self enjoyment.

 

[Sweeper]

We'll just agree to disagree then.

I have been brought up as i thought the majority would have to go out and do all you can to win the match. A draw to me is the last resort. You can have mine and probably anyone elses word at Washington we will never just settle for a draw when a win is very very acheivable and realistic.

Don't go there with the "galacticos" comment as that is just totally irrelevant and stupid. I would rather go down trying to win a game than to not attempt it at all, otherwise i wouldn't play. Not one bit of self enjoyment.

Last season Washington turned up at our place, packed the off side field from ball one (including boundary riders) and had Ebs bowl a line at least a foot outside off stump. In his entire spell you'd be lucky if he bowled five balls that would have hit the stumps.

Whats the difference between doing that when you're in the field and defending with the bat? Both are "defensive" tactics intended to consolidate your position in the game and make the opposition force the issue. Your comment about Washington always going for the win is laughable mate as they've probably been involved in more draws than any other team in north east cricket over the past two or three years.

I'm not having a go btw, mrreal was entirely entitled to go the way he did and there's nothing to say that he wasn't right in doing it; the point I'm making is that all teams play "negative" cricket when it suits and your own club in recent years have been worse than most. Therefore you have a right cheek to criticise others.

Soon you'll have escaped the sub-standard DCCL teams and umpires that are weighing you and your club down so much; and will be in NEPL2 with all of the other cricketing juggernauts. I'm sure your many years of tearing up the Coast League (*cough*) will stand you in good stead for the step up and you'll never have to try and block out the NEPL2 bowling for draws.