chopsfc007
Striker
Well you can wipe Johnson of straight away hardly our fault same with gordan
Short in January
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redalert69
Striker
No but top class English goalkeepers are, especially those who are being watched week in week out and have the potential to go right to the very top
EXPIM
Midfield
On the other hand English players seem to go for a premium .......................e.g. City paying 47.5m for Stones
Donnybrook
Midfield
What would be the craic if a big offer came in for a player and the club want to sell but the player didnt want to leave?
chopsfc007
Striker
Wouldn't happen he would treble his wages and want to win stuff
Bangkok Blackcat
Striker
I normally am as I've spent all my money over Christmas.
JL1985
Striker
Could add Ricky Alvarez to that list.
Donnybrook
Midfield
so just lets pretend he wanted to stay then what?
poisson
Winger
The problem is we needed/still need 4/5 good players . They don't have enough to cost the earth as long as they're good enough for our or any other first xi outside top 6. We also need to get away from loaning 3+ of our first xi each season. All this is down to Short not quite putting enough forward in anyone season.
I think he's lost interest to be honest. He's thrown away tens if not hundreds of millions that otherwise could have go to making sure that every generation of his family for the next 200 years had a nice life with the best money could buy and in return he's received abuse and watched as managers and directors waste every penny on what HAS to be at this point the worst player recruitment record in the world.
Its a shame because it looks like he might finally be getting things right, or at least better. He got the manager he wants in Moyes and while it's early there are signs he could get the backing of the fans and possibly stave off the drop another year when it looked absolutely nailed on six weeks ago. In Martin Bain hes got in a CEO that at least is "a football guy" rather than a opportunistic ambulance chaser from north london who somehow blagged the job. He's got Simon Wilson in which looks like an effort to overhaul the scouting/recruitment and academy/youth team development. Director of football 'light' if you like and since he's worked with Moyes before at preston it looks very much like its happened with the backing or even advice of the manager rather than just being imposed.
We dont know if it will work obviously but certainly it looks like Ellis has finally found the right shaped blocks for the right shaped holes so hopefully it will convince him to engage with the club at least until another buyer comes actually looking for it rather than having to be convinced there's some cash to be extracted.
Its a shame because it looks like he might finally be getting things right, or at least better. He got the manager he wants in Moyes and while it's early there are signs he could get the backing of the fans and possibly stave off the drop another year when it looked absolutely nailed on six weeks ago. In Martin Bain hes got in a CEO that at least is "a football guy" rather than a opportunistic ambulance chaser from north london who somehow blagged the job. He's got Simon Wilson in which looks like an effort to overhaul the scouting/recruitment and academy/youth team development. Director of football 'light' if you like and since he's worked with Moyes before at preston it looks very much like its happened with the backing or even advice of the manager rather than just being imposed.
We dont know if it will work obviously but certainly it looks like Ellis has finally found the right shaped blocks for the right shaped holes so hopefully it will convince him to engage with the club at least until another buyer comes actually looking for it rather than having to be convinced there's some cash to be extracted.
John J Rambo
Striker
We spend 30m every year man, that should have us competitive. That should have brought in about 8-10 first team players the last 4 or 5 years and gradually improve us. Some then you sell on for a profit and build again, others are the backbone of your side. The fact its been wasted, wasn't shorts decision and I'd safely say watching money wasted every year, isn't part of his plan.
Regardless of fault and or blame, it's 20m+ down the swanny, which I think is his point.
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hexhamali
Winger
Don't think we lost any money on Gyan to be fair, you could add the likes of Graham, Scocco, Alvarez etc to make up the difference though
poisson
Winger
Apart from the fact we've needed 8 or 9 players every year so the 30m you reckon we've spent is buttons. We've never got into the position where we only need 2 to 4 players through spending millions on nothing more than squad players (bar last January ) Also net spend is 10 to 12m as we've sold our best players year on year don't let 3 wins out of 4 make you forget that
DiscoPants86
Midfield
If he's backed the club with a 140 million, why does the club have the 140 million debt?
John J Rambo
Striker
This has come from years of poor buying and selling and left us chasing our tails. We can't get deeper in debt, then expect short to make 50m available because we need yet more players.
tynerider3
Winger
Because it's a load of bollocks mate. He probably had never heard of Moyes until this year either. Do not believe what comes out the club.
John J Rambo
Striker
Because there's next to no return from the players. Buying high, selling low, over a few years is why we're in debt
DiscoPants86
Midfield
Right but my point is we say he's backed us with a 140 million but that 140 million is actually the clubs debt, he hasn't backed us with it, he's took loans out against the club.
Clueless
Midfield
If there is anyone who thinks that SAFC should be buying players as 'investments', because they will become appreciating assets, who can subsequently be sold at a profit, would you be interested in buying some magic beans that I have for sale ?
Since freedom of contract at the end of the contract period came into effect, players are, in the main, depreciating liabilities, because the club do not own the asset. If we buy a player for £10m on a four years contract, the realistic expectation should be that he will have no cash value to SAFC at the end of that contract. The player's 'worth' must be measured on what he delivers on the pitch. There will be notable exceptions, but even in such instances, the cost of selling one of the club's better players, is likely to be seen in the overall performance of the team and that 'cost' could be far greater than any profit made on the transfer fees.
As a hypothetical example, let us assume that Kone had been sold to Everton during the summer for £20m, which would have represented a £15m profit. Let us further assume that the manager had identified Kone's replacement in the squad as being a young Manchester United centre-half, who is a full international and available for £5m. So that would be a net £10m of profit in the bank and the same number of centre-halves in the squad. Notwithstanding Kone's poor form this season, would anyone really see £10m + McNair as being a bargain ?
Players should be bought because of what they can contribute to the team on the playing field, not to the business on the balance sheet.
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