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lazarus
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Which ones do you consider to be established. Obviously the 3 newly promoted sides can't be considered.
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Mackem19
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My marker is generally 4 consecutive season in the top flight
Anyone not in a relegation scrap every year. Usual Top 7-8 clubs - Man City, man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Everton. After that, the likes of Swansea, Mags, West Ham & Stoke. Villa maybe squeezed in there by virtue of their longevity but the rest (including us) are a poor season away from relegation
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Sebasaurus II
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This is the correct answer. Fulham would have been in contention an'all imo but they fucked it.
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Mick Dundee
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This for me, but I would say 5
SAFC Wilks
Striker
We are, this is our 8th (I think) consecutive season in the top flight which surely means established
SuperGerryHarrison
Winger
I'd say Villa are definately in there. If your going to put West Ham in then we'd have to be considered established too. TBH, aprt from the top 7/8 teams we are all one bad season from relegation.
Kevin Arnott's right boot
Striker
What does it mean to be "established"? And why does it matter?
flusheding
Striker
There are 11 current premier league teams who have joined the league after we did. So we're 9th in current longest streak.
Of the 46 teams to have played in the PL, we're 14th out of the 46 teams for most total seasons - 14 out of a possible 23.
We're 18th for longest streak which is 8 seasons, if we can stay in the PL for 4 more years then we'll move up to 11th.
But we are joint second for most yo-yoing with 4 different spells.
I'd say we're fairly established tbh.
Of the 46 teams to have played in the PL, we're 14th out of the 46 teams for most total seasons - 14 out of a possible 23.
We're 18th for longest streak which is 8 seasons, if we can stay in the PL for 4 more years then we'll move up to 11th.
But we are joint second for most yo-yoing with 4 different spells.
I'd say we're fairly established tbh.
WHD
Striker
To me it would mean a certainty to remain in the league the following season. As has been stated, this would only apply to around 7 clubs.
Tank
Winger
all three promoted from the championship relatively recently...
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DahnSarf
Midfield
I find it desperately sad that the highest ambition for all but a handful of clubs is survival.
Simon Barnes had a rant in 'The Times' about this on Monday, following the obscene ManU/Adidas deal.
"Fairness? How very 20th Century" he said.
He is correct of course, but nothing will ever change.
Simon Barnes had a rant in 'The Times' about this on Monday, following the obscene ManU/Adidas deal.
"Fairness? How very 20th Century" he said.
He is correct of course, but nothing will ever change.
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NEVER itk
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Swansea, Mags, West Ham, Stoke and Villa - 2 have been relegated in last 5 years and 3 have flirted with it.
Any team outside of top 7 is a bad season away from relegation
At least half of the clubs in this league could get relegated in any given season.
DrewC
Striker
If an owner sells him club in that bottom 12-13 PL increases the risk of going down i.e. Fulham.
We're established bottom half, which is weird, they go on about money being amazing, we are unable to push on.
Robanner
Winger
As people have said we are one bad season away from relegation. There are 11 or 12 clubs that can go down and there's the width of a fag packet between them in terms of their squads. The odd goal here and there makes or breaks a season in which 47 points might get you top 10, 43 points have you 16th and 39 points see you go down.
We are miles away from being out of the clutch of teams that can't go down. But of the rest we are about as established as it gets I guess.
We are miles away from being out of the clutch of teams that can't go down. But of the rest we are about as established as it gets I guess.
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