New era?

[deleted user 785]

Not an ounce of comment on why things happen with such predictability. Crap players can't suddenly pull out half a dozen good performances and results against varying standards of opposition, year after year when in the same precarious situation.

Why are you still banging on about Di Canio?

They aren't crap, they're average.

 

[The Exile]

Have we? We've got 2 points out of a possible 12.

Yes we have. Even in the games we lost we looked better after Cattermole/Larsson went off. Feel free to cling to that 2 out of 12 stat and ignore everything else though.

 

[The Exile]

They aren't crap, they're average.

Average means average. Not dreadful for 32 games then terrific for 6. The times at which these runs of form happen suggests there's more at work than ability.

 

[deleted user 785]

Yes we have. Even in the games we lost we looked better after Cattermole/Larsson went off. Feel free to cling to that 2 out of 12 stat and ignore everything else though.

So its there fault? Its Cattermoles and Larssons fault? What about O'Shea?

Average means average. Not dreadful for 32 games then terrific for 6. The times at which these runs of form happen suggests there's more at work than ability.

I'll think you'll find Larsson was named player of the year, therefore our best player over the season. You even admitted Cattermole played well and was on the way to changing your warped thinking. Whats changed?

 

[viccarlton]

In what way does Cattermole, do the bare minimum?

He's trying his best to only give one penalty away per game.

 

[The Exile]

So its there fault? Its Cattermoles and Larssons fault? What about O'Shea?

What does improving performances with these players out of the team suggest?

O'Shea is exactly the same O'Shea we've had the last couple of years. Still at fault quite a lot but shouts very well. Not quite the Second Coming it seems to be portrayed as. Dick didn't pick Coates and Kaboul as his first choice pairing for a windup.

 

[walesie]

We've improved noticeably when they've been hooked or dropped. Not quite thriving, but better.

Righto.

looks like Cattermole / Larsson have been replaced by a better player in M'Vila, which is great. If we do that all over the pitch we'll improve. Its that simple. Not some f***ing looney conspiracy theory about rotten cores.

 

[deleted user 785]

What does improving performances with these players out of the team suggest?

O'Shea is exactly the same O'Shea we've had the last couple of years. Still at fault quite a lot but shouts very well. Not quite the Second Coming it seems to be portrayed as. Dick didn't pick Coates and Kaboul as his first choice pairing for a windup.

Improving performance have happened when they're in and out of the team, it proves nothing. Swansea was as well as we've played this season. Cattermole and O'Shea played the whole game. Things improved 2nd half against Leicester with Larsson and Fletcher in the side.

Excuse me for thinking you're talking bollocks

 

[The Exile]

I'll think you'll find Larsson was named player of the year, therefore our best player over the season. You even admitted Cattermole played well and was on the way to changing your warped thinking. Whats changed?

In the land of the blind......

There's clearly something wrong with Cattermole. Maybe a reaction to being captain again, or finding out that Dick's a slightly less nice man than last season would have had him believe, who knows. It's a shame, but the old Cattermole seems to be back.

 

[deleted user 785]

In the land of the blind......

There's clearly something wrong with Cattermole. Maybe a reaction to being captain again, or finding out that Dick's a slightly less nice man than last season would have had him believe, who knows. It's a shame, but the old Cattermole seems to be back.

There is, he's playing shite. Why does there have to be a conspiracy?

 

[not spavin]

Not an ounce of comment on why things happen with such predictability. Crap players can't suddenly pull out half a dozen good performances and results against varying standards of opposition, year after year when in the same precarious situation.

Why are you still banging on about Di Canio?

JOS, Cattermole and Larsson are all reasonably talented players who are not capable of playing well for 38 games a season. If they were capable, the wouldn't be playing for Sunderland.

Your argument - that it's down to their effort - is the same utterly absurd drivel peddled by Di Canio. That's where you got it from. You're parroting Di Canio. Di Canio the fuckwit.

Boil it down it its most simple terms. Do you think JOS, Larsson and Cattermole would become top quality performers week-in, week-out simply by trying harder? Can you honestly answer 'yes' to that without cringing yourself inside out?

 

[SurreyMackem]

We have signed some quality players who may or may not be better, over a season, than those we have.

The difference this time is that we have kept the experienced players they are replacing as squad players in case things don't work out.

This is what we should have been doing since we got promoted if we wanted to establish ourselves in the Prem.

 

[walesie]

What does improving performances with these players out of the team suggest?

O'Shea is exactly the same O'Shea we've had the last couple of years. Still at fault quite a lot but shouts very well. Not quite the Second Coming it seems to be portrayed as. Dick didn't pick Coates and Kaboul as his first choice pairing for a windup.

I don't have it to hand, but the stat about our points per game with & without Cattermole in the side would tuck you nicely here.

 

[deleted user 785]

JOS, Cattermole and Larsson are all reasonably talented players who are not capable of playing well for 38 games a season. If they were capable, the wouldn't be playing for Sunderland.

Your argument - that it's down to their effort - is the same utterly absurd drivel peddled by Di Canio. That's where you got it from. You're parroting Di Canio. Di Canio the fuckwit.

Boil it down it its most simple terms. Do you think JOS, Larsson and Cattermole would become top quality performers week-in, week-out simply by trying harder? Can you honestly answer 'yes' to that without cringing yourself inside out?

bang on

 

[The Exile]

. Not some f***ing looney conspiracy theory about rotten cores.

It's hardly special moon water like. Plenty of evidence knocking about - same story with every manager regardless of experience and management style, the Di Canio debacle and what was widely reported as being said to him at the time indicating that their idea of 'running through brick walls' meant sacking it off in training cause they weren't being watched. Five managers on the bounce unable to coax anything like decent form over an extended period unless it's crunch time.

Your choice whether to see it or not.

 

[NOMOREFALSEDAWNS]

Have we been taken over by an Arab multi billionaire who has appointed Moyes as boss on a long term contract?

 

[deleted user 785]

It's hardly special moon water like. Plenty of evidence knocking about - same story with every manager regardless of experience and management style, the Di Canio debacle and what was widely reported as being said to him at the time indicating that their idea of 'running through brick walls' meant sacking it off in training cause they weren't being watched. Five managers on the bounce unable to coax anything like decent form over an extended period unless it's crunch time.

Your choice whether to see it or not.

Like one of the 'rotten core' winning North East PoTY, one winning our PoTY? That doesn't happen because of 5 or 6 games.

Your choice whether to see it or not

 

[The Exile]

JOS, Cattermole and Larsson are all reasonably talented players who are not capable of playing well for 38 games a season. If they were capable, the wouldn't be playing for Sunderland.

Your argument - that it's down to their effort - is the same utterly absurd drivel peddled by Di Canio. That's where you got it from. You're parroting Di Canio. Di Canio the fuckwit.

Boil it down it its most simple terms. Do you think JOS, Larsson and Cattermole would become top quality performers week-in, week-out simply by trying harder? Can you honestly answer 'yes' to that without cringing yourself inside out?

Aye, that was me parroting Di Canio when Bruce and MoN were in charge.

We're not talking about top quality, we're talking about not having the will to produce your best as often as you can, and why they can produce out of nothing half a dozen good performances and results on the bounce at the same time each season.

 

[deleted user 785]

Aye, that was me parroting Di Canio when Bruce and MoN were in charge.

We're not talking about top quality, we're talking about not having the will to produce your best as often as you can, and why they can produce out of nothing half a dozen good performances and results on the bounce at the same time each season.

How do you explain long winless runs throughout Bruces career with different players?

 

[not spavin]

It's hardly special moon water like. Plenty of evidence knocking about - same story with every manager regardless of experience and management style, the Di Canio debacle and what was widely reported as being said to him at the time indicating that their idea of 'running through brick walls' meant sacking it off in training cause they weren't being watched. Five managers on the bounce unable to coax anything like decent form over an extended period unless it's crunch time.

Your choice whether to see it or not.

Larsson was player of the year last season. Bardsley, another of your 'core', 2 seasons prior. JOS has been made captain - possible based on his 5 league titles and Champions League.

You are talking utter shit. Classic conspiracy theorist behaviour, twisting and ignore evidence to support a viewpoint you inherited elsewhere.