Discussion in 'Gold' started by My Boy Harry, Oct 1, 2004.
Happy Birthday. :wink:
We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll meet again, some sunny day
The glory days will be back, perhaps not in my lifetime
Stuff like this makes me proud
Long Live the Lads
Sunderland 7 v 0 Liverpool
Roker Park, Sunderland
7 December 1912
Referee: A Shellcross, Leek
Sunderland: Butler, Troughear, Milton, Cuggy, Thomson, Low, Mordue, Buchan, Hall, Holley, Martin
Liverpool: Campbell, Longworth, Crawford, Loud, Peake, Ferguson, Purcel, Metcalf, Parkinson, Miller, McKinlay
The 1912/13 season was one of both elation and heartache for Sunderland AFC. The ultimate high was the League championship, the low an FA Cup Final defeat by Aston Villa. The double had been so near and yet so far.
The campaign witnessed some memorable thrashings, none more so than the game at Roker Park against Liverpool. The 7 v 0 scoreline was the biggest that the club had so far recorded at Roker Park, our tenancy was only 14 or so years old. You had to go back to St James Park and December 1908 for the only time this scoreline had so far been topped by the club in the 20th Century.
Wearside and the red half of Merseyside had first met in 1894. The first 32 fixtures had produced 18 Black Cat victories. The highlight of meetings for both sets of fans so far had been the amazing 5 v 5 Roker Park draw in 1907. As far as Sunderland fans were concerned that game would now pale into insignificance.
Newspapers of the day commented that the score could quite easily have been doubled, however the Liverpool custodian Campbell was in breathtaking form and stood between Wearside and a double figure hiding.
The cause of Liverpool’s defeat was quite simply Buchan & Mordue. Everything they touched turned to gold. The Liverpool half backs were “simply useless against the home forwards” it was reported.
Liverpool, somehow, kept us at bay for 15 minutes. Then the floodgates opened. Buchan notched the first after a miskick by Longworth, and 5 minutes later Mordue ran through on goal to crack a beauty past Campbell. Mordue and Buchan made it 4 by half time. Cuggy was very ably supporting the 2 hotshots.
As if to make matters worse the second half was just a few minutes old when McKinley was forced to leave the field with a badly bruised leg. Down to 10 men the Scousers only option was to try and stem the flow of goals. They failed
One long 40 minute bombardment ensued. Buchan helped himself to another 3 and an entry into the Sunderland AFC record books. It was the first time that one of our players had scored 5 goals in a league match. A feat that would not be matched until 1935 by Bobby Gurney.
The incomparable Buchan top scored for Sunderland that season, and would do so in every campaign to 1923/24.
Sunderland 8 v 2 Blackburn Rovers
4 February 1931
Roker Park, Sunderland
As the snow fell all across the North East on the morning of 4 February 1931, you could forgive football fans for not braving the elements. Those who stayed at home missed a treat.
Sunderland created their own avalanche. Seven nil up at half time, The Black Cats would eventually triumph 8 v 2 against a shell shocked Rovers side.
The 1930/31 season had everything, bar a trophy, and although we would end up in 11th place Football League wise, that fact disguised some remarkable matches, including a losing FA Cup Semi final. 99 league goals were scored at Roker Park that season and 75 in matches away from Wearside, to produce an aggregate 174 goals. If you wanted entertainment, you watched Sunderland AFC.
Sunderland opened the Blackburn game at a blistering pace and by the time the match was 15 minutes old, led 4 v 0. True, the visitors fielded a weakened defence, but its fair to say that with the red and whites in this form, no-one could have stopped them.
Devine, recently secured from Newcastle United, played exceptionally well at inside right, and his supply of inch perfect balls, particularly to Eden, was a feature of the game. Eden by the way was handicapped by a leg injury, but still scored 3!
Leonard scored after 5 minutes, with Bobby Gurney opening his personal account 3 minutes later. A second for Leonard on 11 provided the impetus for Eden to crack home after 14 minutes. The points were now won.
By the 40th minute both Leonard and Eden had hat tricks.
The half time team talk either did Blackburn Rovers some good or disturbed Sunderland’s rhythm. Either way Rovers pulled one back through Bruton on 53 minutes and the same man notched again 20 minutes later. In between Devine slotted the ball home on 66.
Strangely enough it was widely reported that Connor was the best forward on display. Whilst he didn’t score his unselfish play led to 5 of the Sunderland goals.
Blackburn’s second goal was a penalty, given after a supposed infringement by McDougall. To round a poor day for the visitors they even missed a spot kick, shooting wide of the post.
Just 3 days later Leeds United visited Roker Park and found Sunderland in similar form to the Rovers game, as they crashed 4 v 0.
Sunderland: Middleton, Murray, Shaw, Morris, MacDougall, Hastings, Eden, Devine, Gurney, Leonard, Connor
Blackburn Rovers: Downs, Gorman, Whyte, Imrie, Healless, Roscamp, Bruton, Puddefoot, Bruton, McLean, Cuncliffe
Niall Quinn MBE
Sunderland AFC 3 v 3 Newcastle United FC
Roker Park, Sunderland
Football League Division 1
30 December 1967
Referee: K Howly (Middlesbrough)
On 26 December 1967, just 4 days prior to this pulsating Roker Park draw, Sunderland AFC had left St James Park feeling aggrieved at the 1 v 2 defeat by their arch rivals, in a game watched by the North East’s highest crowd for 4 years 59,382. A foul on Montgomery had gone unpunished and led to the Magpie goal that would ultimately tip the game in favour of Tyneside.
The return fixture however would involve no such travesty’s, just a quite brilliant game of football, rather untypical of derby affairs. Sunderland once more had the upper hand, possession wise, but the never-say-die attitude of the black and whites gave them a McNamee equaliser just 2 minutes from the end, having looked down and out. The Newcastle skipper Iley led his men back from the brink to leave the Wearside faithful frustrated once more. Battered and bruised all players left the ground having given no quarter. Hurley limped out after 60 minutes with an injured knee.
Newcastle United went ahead after 13 minutes when a mistimed Hurley tackle saw Wyn Davies take a tumble inside the area. Ollie Burton made no mistake from the spot and it was game on. If The Magpies thought that the tone was set for an afternoon of supremacy they were in for a shock. By 47 minutes they would trail 1 v 3 to a red and white storm!!
Colin Suggett, on his 19th birthday, was a Sunderland hero as 2 goals in 3 minutes turned the game Wearside’s way. With the visitors down to 10 men, through an Ollie Burton injury, Suggett crashed the ball home after good work by Ashurst. Not long after, persistent play by Martin gave Suggett the chance to stab the ball home, just inside the post. The neutrals might argue that at half time there was little to choose between the 2 sides but not long after the restart Sunderland looked to have an unassailable lead. On 47 minutes Stuckey cracked home a beauty.
The turning point undoubtedly came with just 20 minutes left as Ashurst upended Elliott just inside the box. Burton, recovered from his injury made no mistake and scored his second spot kick.
Newcastle then piled the pressure on, searching for an unlikely and improbable equaliser but it came on 88 minutes. Iley, who had played marvellous for the visitors floated a nice looking corner towards McNamee. The centre half timed it perfectly and sent the ball thundering home.
Sunderland were silenced and the beaming faces of the Magpie players at the end told its own story. They had got out of jail and they knew it.
Revenge of sorts would be exacted by Sunderland AFC’s Youth Cup winning side of the previous season as they travelled to St James Park 3 days later and returned home with a 1 v 0 victory. The Black Cat side that day included Pitt and Tueart, youngsters that just 5 years later would send shock waves through football as they humbled the then mighty Leeds United in 1973.
Sunderland: Montgomery, Irwin, Ashurst, Todd, Hurley, Porterfield, Stuckey, Suggett, Martin, Brand, Mulhall
Newcastle United: Marshall, Burton, Clarke, Elliott, McNamee, Moncur, Scott, Bennett, Davies, Iley, Robson
Happy Birthday, and a 7-0 or 8-2 on Saturday would be a fitting present!
P W D L F A W D L F A Pts
1. Sunderland 34 12 3 2 32 14 7 3 7 18 21 44
2. Everton 34 11 2 4 31 11 6 5 6 22 24 41
3. Newcastle United 34 11 3 3 41 14 3 6 8 7 20 37
4. Blackburn Rovers 34 12 2 3 36 16 3 4 10 16 32 36
5. Nottingham Forest 34 11 4 2 32 13 2 5 10 11 30 35
6. Derby County 34 11 5 1 26 10 2 4 11 13 31 35
7. Bury 34 11 5 1 31 9 2 3 12 13 29 34
8. Aston Villa 34 9 5 3 27 13 4 3 10 15 27 34
9. Sheffield Wednesday 34 9 5 3 30 14 4 3 10 18 38 34
10. Sheffield United 34 10 5 2 38 13 3 2 12 15 35 33
11. Liverpool 34 8 3 6 28 16 2 9 6 14 22 32
12. Bolton Wanderers 34 10 6 1 38 17 2 2 13 13 39 32
13. Notts County 34 12 2 3 44 19 2 2 13 7 38 32
14. Wolverhampton Wanderers 34 12 3 2 32 13 1 3 13 14 44 32
15. Grimsby Town 34 11 3 3 33 16 2 3 12 11 44 32
16. Stoke City 34 10 4 3 31 12 1 5 11 14 43 31
17. Birmingham City 34 8 5 4 31 14 3 3 11 16 31 30
18. Manchester City 34 10 3 4 28 17 1 3 13 14 41 28
It would be easy to describe Dave Halliday simply as a player who benefited from the change to the offside law in 1925 in achieving his prodigious goalscoring feats. But it would also be wrong. Indeed, 164 goals in 175 games for Sunderland were scored after the laws had been changed, and this scoring started before most teams had adapted their style of play. But Dave arrived at Roker as an already proven goalscorer, having netted 100 goals in four seasons at Dundee under the old laws.
Dave, born in Dumfries in 1897, started off with his home club Queen of the South before moving to St Mirren, where he was mainly a reserve left-winger. It was at Dens Park that he was converted to a centre-forward, and selected for the Scottish League side in 1924. Bob Kyle signed him for Sunderland the next year, fighting off competition from Newcastle. (The Tynesiders later attempted to make up for this slip by signing Dave's younger brother William for £1000 but he proved an expensive mistake, only making one appearance before being released on a free transfer.)
By this time, though, Dave was flourishing at Roker Park alongside Bobby Marshall and Bob Kelly. Ten goals (including two hat-tricks) in his first four games for Sunderland, the fastest player in League history to 100 First Division goals (in 101 games) and more hat-tricks (12, with a further three 4-goal hauls) than any other Sunderland player.
This is not the record of an "average" player taking advantage of a particular situation. If it were, others would surely have appeared to surpass these records. His style also won praise from the sternest of critics, Argus, who lauded his direct, facing the goal approach "much preferable to Camsell, who bumps and bores with his back to the defence".
There were two seasons when Sunderland finished third, then the trauma and drama of 1927-28, to which Halliday still contributed 38 goals including one in the vital last match win at Ayresome Park. Then Johnny Cochrane arrived, and started to make changes to the team. Dave linked up well in particular with Bob McKay, enjoying his most productive season and establishing the Sunderland goalscoring record of 43 goals in a season in 1928-29, four years after the offside law had changed and the "stopper" centre half had become commonplace.
By this time Dave was 32, though contemporary reports suggested that he was somewhat younger. In any event, when Arsenal tabled a bid of £6,500 in November 1929 it was accepted, causing enormous disquiet on Wearside and much conjecture. At this distance in time the precise reasons for Dave Halliday's departure can only be surmised. Argus provided an enigmatic remark in the Sunderland Echo: "There are things which it is impossible to discuss beyond saying that the directors hands were forced. Contrary to local rumours, there was no disagreement between Halliday and Cochrane."
After Arsenal, Dave Halliday moved on to Manchester City then Clapton Orient before becoming player-manager of Yeovil & Petters. He then returned to Scotland to spend a highly successful 17 years as Aberdeen manager culminating in their first championship in 1955, before being enticed to Leicester.
Dave's attacking inclinations still showed as a manager, but this time with woeful consequences for Sunderland. Leicester needed a win on the last day of the 1957-58 season at Birmingham to send Sunderland down, and Dave Halliday threw an attacking formation out despite his side already having conceded 112 goals. Leicester won 1-0 and Sunderland were down.
Dave retired to Aberdeen, passing away just before Sunderland's second relegation in 1970. It would though be totally wrong to remember him for association with relegation, but rather as a footballer who maintained both as a player and a manager that the object of the game was to score goals. Which he did - and how.
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2 February 1895
Fa cup Round 1
Sunderland 11 v 1 Fairfield
Very few people in the far North had heard of Fairfield before sunderland drew ethem in the cup. They did however have a good name and lay second in the Lancashire League. Fairfield incidentally is just outside of Manchester.
It was still a very tall order for the amateurs and they would be put to the sword by Sunderland. In fact it had been put forward that they may even decline to meet on Wearside and instead scratch from teh tournament. All these fears proved unfounded.
The Fairfield players arrived with some of their committee men at 11 o'clock on the Friday night and stayed at the Roker Temperance hotel. Apart from tom evans, on of the injured backs the amateurs were at full strength.
Sunderland played the same team that had beaten Stoke City 5 v 2 the previous week, and a very small crowd, of only some 1,000 attracted gate receipts of £70. Very poor.
It had rained steadily and as soon as the game started it was a complete farce. In short Sunderland completrely overwhelmed and outclassed them.
Miller, miller, Hannah, Gillespie, miller, Scott, it just went on and on.....McCreadie started the second half scoring...miller, Hannah, Miller...the rout was complete. Clarke pulled back a consolation towards the end, afyter some slack Sunderland marking.
The game was over, sunderland had dished out a hiding, and there was nowhere for the Fairfiled players to hide. They went home demoralised.
Sunderland: Doig, McNeill, Johnstone, dunlop, McCreadie, wilson, gillespie, Millar, Campbell, Hannah, Scott
Fairfield: Mackay, Postles, sjipley, Carson, spiers, elson, Mattieson, Allan, clarke, Heys, hodgett
feckin' hell, the skunks only escaped relegation by 7points!
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