EU Wanted to Help British Steel Industry...

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Most of the oil and gas operators will not allow Asian steel full stop. Western EU normally. Saying that there's nowt being built.

Civil stuff is a different matter. A building failure doesn't lead to multi billion £ law suits.

We could bring coal back, shipbuilding too, we used to be good at textiles too, subsidise the lot. Where do you think all this money comes from? It's not some magical pot we can take people's tax money out of to pay to private companies constantly.
The steel industry was subsidised for years and still failed to survive, there's only so much can be done by a government subsidy wise. Look at the losses tata were making it's just not sustainable. And I bet even with a 9% tariff china is still cheaper than Western European steel

What will our bloated service industry service when there's no primary/secondary industries left? The balance is frighteningly off-kilter.
 
Most of the oil and gas operators will not allow Asian steel full stop. Western EU normally. Saying that there's nowt being built.

Civil stuff is a different matter. A building failure doesn't lead to multi billion £ law suits.



What will our bloated service industry service when there's no primary/secondary industries left? The balance is frighteningly off-kilter.
It is somewhat glum if concentrating on the old heavy industries, that ship sailed years ago, when far eastern and sub continental labour came into play. How can you compete making relatively basic materials like steel against some bloke that's paid a couple of quid a day.
we also had things like a huge textile industry based mainly in the East Midlands etc. but when those knitting machines and the like were shipped all over the world by William cottons and other big manufacturers and set up in the 60s and 70s the writing was on the wall, cheap labour rules unfortunately.

If the country wants to survive surely we have to be looking at the more high tech side of industry, we have a hugely educated population in general, where as a lot of the lesser developed countries haven't, that's surely the way ahead for developed countries.
 
It is somewhat glum if concentrating on the old heavy industries, that ship sailed years ago, when far eastern and sub continental labour came into play. How can you compete making relatively basic materials like steel against some bloke that's paid a couple of quid a day.
we also had things like a huge textile industry based mainly in the East Midlands etc. but when those knitting machines and the like were shipped all over the world by William cottons and other big manufacturers and set up in the 60s and 70s the writing was on the wall, cheap labour rules unfortunately.

If the country wants to survive surely we have to be looking at the more high tech side of industry, we have a hugely educated population in general, where as a lot of the lesser developed countries haven't, that's surely the way ahead for developed countries.

All good points. My view is that a big percentage of the population are not up to it to these high tech jobs, mentally however.

In other words less clever people need jobs too. We need jobs for the masses. Call centres are not the answer.

I sound like a reet commie.
 
All good points. My view is that a big percentage of the population are not up to it to these high tech jobs, mentally however.

In other words less clever people need jobs too. We need jobs for the masses. Call centres are not the answer.

I sound like a reet commie.
Even the most advanced industries can use the not so bright. If not, when the high tech industries are firing, there are loads of auxiliary jobs that go hand in hand with it.
We may be pretty shit ATM, but this country has been at the forefront of inventing and technology always.

We have super inventive people, always have done, from inventing things like the spinning jenny, to the tv, to the Internet, to the telephone, the list is endless and unsurpassed by any country ever.

What we need is a government that would back these types of people and invest in helping them start, rather than foreign companies taking our best and brightest and developing things that should be nurtured here
 
Even the most advanced industries can use the not so bright. If not, when the high tech industries are firing, there are loads of auxiliary jobs that go hand in hand with it.
We may be pretty shit ATM, but this country has been at the forefront of inventing and technology always.

We have super inventive people, always have done, from inventing things like the spinning jenny, to the tv, to the Internet, to the telephone, the list is endless and unsurpassed by any country ever.

What we need is a government that would back these types of people and invest in helping them start, rather than foreign companies taking our best and brightest and developing things that should be nurtured here
The government has ruled out any creative subjects counting towards the league tables at school.

This government don't give a shit about training creative inventors, engineers etc
 
The government has ruled out any creative subjects counting towards the league tables at school.

This government don't give a shit about training creative inventors, engineers etc
They are out there they just need to be backed, as for training engineers your right we should be pushing the engineering type subjects all the way through school and do away with all the shitty subjects that they seem to have shoe horned into schools nowadays

But what's the alternative? We have to go for it as in another couple of generations the country will be struggling if we keep relying on the same old arguments of subsidising industries that have no future
 
We could bring coal back, shipbuilding too, we used to be good at textiles too, subsidise the lot. Where do you think all this money comes from? It's not some magical pot we can take people's tax money out of to pay to private companies constantly.
The steel industry was subsidised for years and still failed to survive, there's only so much can be done by a government subsidy wise. Look at the losses tata were making it's just not sustainable. And I bet even with a 9% tariff china is still cheaper than Western European steel
Bang on. The magical pot is ring fenced for bailing out the banking industry (again) then what's left goes to subsidise the landowners in CAP grants.

Can't be seen to be helping out Joe le Public when there's a 1%er in dire straits.
 
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