James Milner

[rocky]

Originally Posted by Komodo

are you really this thick!?

they moved for vast sums partly because king kenny is thick as shite and partly simply because english players cost more. neither have improved since they moved

a players transfer fee is simply down to how much a club values a player, which often means fuck all.

Are you saying a players value goes up because they're showing "little signs of improvement"?

He's improved so little that he's now playing for the league champions.

[Komodo]

Originally Posted by rocky

Are you saying a players value goes up because they're showing "little signs of improvement"?

He's improved so little that he's now playing for the league champions.

sometimes yes, sometimes no. often it can depend on how much a particular club want a particular player. there could also be a case where a player plays shite at a club but another club see how the player bein used differently to fit their style more. so they will spray the cash despite the fact he doesnt seem to be owt flash. another factor is how much a club wants to force another clubs hand. what im sayin is transfer fees often mean nowt.

[albert dali]

Originally Posted by rocky

No, are you saying he had shown no signs of improvement?

'Improvement'? Based on what I saw of him before his transfer to Liverpool there was little to base an objective opinion on. But to equate a transfer fee with a players ability in order to prove a point seems like a very high risk strategy. Had/has Wickham shown quantifiable improvement to justify £8m? Flo? Henderson? Or further afield - Berbatov? Schevchenko?

[rocky]

Originally Posted by Komodo

sometimes yes, sometimes no. often it can depend on how much a particular club want a particular player. there could also be a case where a player plays shite at a club but another club see how the player bein used differently to fit their style more. so they will spray the cash despite the fact he doesnt seem to be owt flash. another factor is how much a club wants to force another clubs hand. what im sayin is transfer fees often mean nowt.

Its absolute bollocks to say he's shown "little improvement".

Transfer fee's are over inflated however if he'd shown little improvement his transfer fees wouldn't be as high as they are.

Originally Posted by albert dali

'Improvement'? Based on what I saw of him before his transfer to Liverpool there was little to base an objective opinion on. But to equate a transfer fee with a players ability in order to prove a point seems like a very high risk strategy. Had/has Wickham shown quantifiable improvement to justify £8m? Flo? Henderson? Or further afield - Berbatov? Schevchenko?

Of course Carroll showed improvement, he went from a Championship centre forward to scoring goals in the top flight. Wickhams is a one off move he's obvioulsy shown improvemnet in his game to attract a fee of £8mil+, Milner has moved 3 times each time for an increased transfer fee. That doesn't happen if he's showing little improvement from his time at Leeds.

[albert dali]

Originally Posted by rocky

Its absolute bollocks to say he's shown "little improvement".

Transfer fee's are over inflated however if he'd shown little improvement his transfer fees wouldn't be as high as they are.



Of course Carroll showed improvement, he went from a Championship centre forward to scoring goals in the top flight. Wickhams is a one off move he's obvioulsy shown improvemnet in his game to attract a fee of £8mil+, Milner has moved 3 times each time for an increased transfer fee. That doesn't happen if he's showing little improvement from his time at Leeds.

Did he? Perhaps he always was a 'top flight' goalscorer who just happened to be playing in the Championship because that's where his club found themselves. Did the West Ham players who found themselves in the Championship this season suddenly become 'worse' players?

Out of interest - what would you say Milner is worth? Realistically.

[rocky]

Originally Posted by albert dali

Did he? Perhaps he always was a 'top flight' goalscorer who just happened to be playing in the Championship because that's where his club found themselves. Did the West Ham players who found themselves in the Championship this season suddenyl become 'worse' players?

Out of interest - what would you say Milner is worth? Realistically.

Yes he did.

Milners worth? Haven't a clue.

[Mainze]

For all those young aspiring footballers out there that are basically not very good, this lad is a source of inspiration. If he can make it anyone can....

[Martin Smith Son of Pele]

I thought he played ok last night and was unlucky to be substitued. I would have preferred Young to have been taken off. Milner is not a great player but he's certainly not shit. I'd prefer us to play a system where the wingers have more freedom and less defensive responsibility.

[rocky]

I'd love us to sign him and play him middle of midfield.

[Quillips]

Originally Posted by North of the Smoke

Perfect example of an England international, he will get 70 odd caps.

Does what he is told, solid, reliable.

This is why we will never win a trophy.

Who would you have had in his place that would have won us a trophy?

That is why ...

fwiw I agree he was poor.

As were young and darling "roo"