Animals used in Medical Research

[Mean Machine 1981]

Originally Posted by Medulla

We could do with a man with your solid grasp of the basics to roll this policy out, and no mistake.

And yet, you would put an innocent animal through it?

Originally Posted by RaggedyFrankOwen

They've been bred for testing i can see that, it's not the case that they were bred in the wild, captured and taken to the nearest lab but for me i dont really see a dichotomy there. I suppose i'm just wondering where peoples lines are in the sand. Would it matter if the animal was on the endangered species list? How far evolved would an animal need to be? As in the case stated above the chimp was able to communicate with the people who were experimenting on it.

What about breeding humans for that reason then?

As they use our same dna make up. Don't forget when a chemical has a reaction to them doesn't mean it would do the same to us.

[Charmless Man]

Originally Posted by Tadger

No it isn't.

Please explain why...

Originally Posted by Mean Machine 1981

What about breeding humans for that reason then?

As they use our same dna make up. Don't forget when a chemical has a reaction to them doesn't mean it would do the same to us.

Imagine actually trying to push through the legislation to make that happen and imagine how much more science would cost if you had to raise humans instead of mice...

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Charmless Man

Please explain why...



Imagine actually trying to push through the legislation to make that happen and imagine how much more science would cost if you had to raise humans instead of mice...

Humans are a terrible model animal anyway. Genetics are far too complicated and the amount of time between generations is much too long.

[walter mitty]

Originally Posted by CatRyan

In a documentary on animal testing they showed a chimpanzee who could sign, he was tied down for testing, first he signed that he wanted to go to the toilet then that he wanted to play. He just wanted to get away from the situation.

I accept it is a necessary evil but it is incredibly upsetting.

Can't we do testing on nonces and Tories instead?

how about doing it on neurotic dorises ?

we could learn so much about when to go shopping or watch tv and such

[Charmless Man]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Humans are a terrible model animal anyway. Genetics are far too complicated and the amount of time between generations is much too long.

The genetics aren't really that much more complicated than that of a mouse. Their genome in terms of base pair number is roughly similar in size to the human genome, as is the number of genes. It's just more complicated to manipulate human genetics, largely due to it being unacceptable societally. Mice, on the other hand, there are loads of mutant lines available as models of obesity, diabetes, regeneration etc'

You're right about generation time though.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by Mean Machine 1981

I would say use humans for the testing. Especially those on life sentances or facing death penalty. May as well be some use to us.

Technically the same as some rodent.

And Kiddie fiddlers

[Kent_Mackem]

Originally Posted by Tadger

You could argue that other species have shared our enviroments for as long if not longer than us, and have not developed. Just playing Devil's advocate like.

Which other species have not developed like? Every species you see today has developed and the only reason they exist is because they have been successful enough to breed over successive generations. In terms of evolutionary success insects are far more successful than we are. They've been around millions of years longer and they will absolutely certainly outlive us. Evolution doesn't have an end goal. We may have huge brains and be clever enough to walk on the moon. That doesn't stop us destroying our environment and ultimately ourselves. Pretty poor effort in my book like.

[Waxon]

Going to be debated on The Big Questions BBC1 now

[Joe Public]

Originally Posted by Metalheed

Sorry but animals can be put through a lot of pain!
Its not like cows,pigs and lambs that are slaughterd humanely!

Why dont companies rent prison space and use scum of the earth prisoners ie peados, rapists, murderers.

Good thinking adolf.

[Medulla]

Originally Posted by Mean Machine 1981

And yet, you would put an innocent animal through it?

This is high level stuff.