Animals used in Medical Research - Page 5

Waxon · 15th March 2012, 10:15 AM

Nice one Mr BishopQuaker, can still remeber sitting on the bed with my grandad for what seemed an eternity from 1973 - 1974 whilst he died a long and agonsising death, I thought he would get better anal

Harrys Again · 15th March 2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kent_Mackem

Out of interest, if you use the evolutionary argument, where would you draw the line? Would you experiment on chimpanzees for example?

The line IS drawn with primates - lots of Pharma have signed up to not use Chimps for example.

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Originally Posted by Mean Machine 1981

I would say use humans for the testing. Especially those on life sentances or facing death penalty. May as well be some use to us.

Technically the same as some rodent.

You can not use prisoners, orphans, inmates of an asylum or any other "Vunerable" (This can be interpreted very widely to mean very poor, illiterate etc) ill type for clinical trials - totally against the Helsinki Convention and GCP (Good Clinical Practice)

Epping · 15th March 2012, 10:25 AM

a necessary evil..

computer modelling can only go so far.

I'm all for some criminals negotiating to take part in clinical trials for a reduction in sentance mind..

forcing the closure of tightly regualted labs will just force them to far less regaulted labs abroad

it would be a total home goal on behalf of the activists

Waxon · 15th March 2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Epping

a necessary evil..

computer modelling can only go so far.

I'm all for some criminals negotiating to take part in clinical trials in return for 3 meals a day mind..

forcing the closure of tightly regualted labs will just force them to far less regaulted labs abroad

it would be a total home goal on behalf of the activists

totally agree

Harrys Again · 15th March 2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Epping

a necessary evil..

computer modelling can only go so far.

I'm all for some criminals negotiating to take part in clinical trials for a reduction in sentance mind..

forcing the closure of tightly regualted labs will just force them to far less regaulted labs abroad

it would be a total home goal on behalf of the activists

As I said you can not use prisoners - just not allowed even if they are compis menti and know exactly what they are doing it is not allowed and the data is useless.

Would not move to unregulated labs at all - just to labs outside where animal activists have no reach.

Medulla · 15th March 2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Harrys Again

You can not use prisoners, orphans, inmates of an asylum or any other "Vunerable" (This can be interpreted very widely to mean very poor, illiterate etc) ill type for clinical trials - totally against the Helsinki Convention and GCP (Good Clinical Practice)

Since animals provide much of the pre-clinical bases for drug development, it would still be an absurd proposition to do away with animal studies and expect the 'replacement' of forced human testing in clinical trials to do anything other than absolutely ruin medical science as an endeavour.

The fucking idiots.

Arkle · 15th March 2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Epping

a necessary evil..

computer modelling can only go so far.

I'm all for some criminals negotiating to take part in clinical trials for a reduction in sentance mind..

forcing the closure of tightly regualted labs will just force them to far less regaulted labs abroad

it would be a total home goal on behalf of the activists

Agreed (aside from the spelling, of ocurse).

Edit: Didn't notice the prisoner bit - disagree with that.

LeicesterMackem · 15th March 2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bongo

I'm an animal lover but i'm afraid it has to be done.
Of course for every animal a stinker could volunteer to take its place, that's if they love the animals that much.
Humans come first, it's just part of the evolutionary chain, and if you're willing to try and break that chain then i'm sure a dog will think of you as a martyr while it licks its balls and then shits on your grave.

Bongo is Wrong. As ever. Evolution is not a 'chain', or a 'ladder'.