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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:33 AM   #11
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    Default Re: School Leavers and Graduates Not Fit For Work.

    Business has a cheek whingeing about education standards.

    These big companies avoid billions in taxes that could be spent on the education system.
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:34 AM   #12
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    Business has a cheek whingeing about education standards.

    These big companies avoid billions in taxes that could be spent on the education system.
    Thanks for missing the point and trying to sidestep the debate.
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:35 AM   #13
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    Not fit for work!!! that's the reason the go to Uni in the first place, to avoid work, they'd rather sit on their arse in an office all day posting on message boards,, you know who you are, skivers
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:35 AM   #14
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    Not fit for work!!! that's the reason the go to Uni in the first place, to avoid work, they'd rather sit on their arse in an office all day posting on message boards,, you know who you are, skivers
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:37 AM   #15
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    Said it for years, Labour fucked the education system in this country.

    While I applaud the fact that they invested in their plan, it was, sadly, a shit plan.
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:38 AM   #16
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:47 AM   #17
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    Thanks for missing the point and trying to sidestep the debate.
    Honestly, I think it's a fair point.
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:52 AM   #18
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    Honestly, I think it's a fair point.
    A valid point IMHO .
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:54 AM   #19
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    The survey of some of the country's biggest businesses found three in four bosses believe graduate skills are poor.

    ...etc...
    And it isn't surprising.

    Successive governments have been preoccupied with various "performance measures" to identify good and failing schools. teachers and schools have focussed on optimising these statistics.

    For example, it is possible, with the right choice of syllabus and modules, to get grade B for GCSE Maths without ever touching algebra or trigonometry. Quite how it can be called a Maths qualification without trigonometry or agebra is a good question, but it means these same kids are stuffed once they try to do A level Maths, where knowledge of these basics is assumed.

    Universities have long been complaining of students without the ability to construct a logical argument, or even basic essay writing skills.

    So there is merit to this argument.

    However, there is another aspect to this. While multinationals such as HSBC, Santander, KPMG and Procter & Gamble complain of the standard of school leavers and graduates, it is these same corporations who are actively minimising the tax they pay to the UK exchequer. Perhaps if they weren't actively seeking to avoid tax, and game the tax system to their pecunary advantage, and contributed more to the society in which they seek to do business, perhaps they would have stronger moral grounds on which to raise their complaint.
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    Old 11th October 2011, 11:54 AM   #20
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    Honestly, I think it's a fair point.
    They don't like it up 'em.
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