Quinn's biggest problem

[MonkeyLove]

And that possibly of SAFC on the whole is that this club is becoming a stark model to apathy.

Quite a few people have touched on it and it sums up exactly how I feel right now. Not angry, not disappointed, disallousioned or fed up. Just an overriding numbness and lack of really caring. Basically caused by many years of "seeing it all before".

I have no overly strong feelings on a day to day basis any more for SAFC if I am honest. I still love them deep down but I just can't get excited about them. There is no point really as ultimately I think even my psyche knows now not to bother as it will only end in disappointment.

At least during the yo-yo years there were polar opposite up's & down's. Now the thing that we have been wanting for years - Midtable mediocrity - is if I am honest killing my interest.

It sounds bizarre and ridiculous but thats kind of how I feel.

I just have an overriding sense that even with one of the most supportive and best owners out, a legendary chairman and great team led by a (Supposedly) competent manager that we will still only ever be there or there abouts.

Perhaps a few cup runs may relight the interest and enthusiasm for the club but at the moment it is just like watching an all too familiar story.

I am only 28 so perhaps it is just a mid support crisis But after 20 years of conscious support if anything my feelings towards the club are just apathetic

[The Infinite Sadness]

i see your point, i feel different to how i did ten years ago as well

but to put it into perspective theres about 80 teams in the english leagues who would love to be in our position at the moment, the expectations are maybe a bit too high.. i remember not too long ago watching liverpool supporters almost crying themselves to sleep because they were mid table.

i think the other reason is that players tend to move so quickly and teams change so rapidly that its harder to become attached to the players and team as a whole,

most teams and fans now know that if one of their players excels and becomes the best in the league, they will probably be off next season for a higher paycheck

[Roker Mackem]

Originally Posted by MonkeyLove

Now the thing that we have been wanting for years - Midtable mediocrity - is if I am honest killing my interest.

What mid table medioricty?

I'm still waiting for that!!

[roygreenwoodsbeard]

Good post mate

[RGTheTruth]

Originally Posted by The Infinite Sadness

i see your point, i feel different to how i did ten years ago as well

but to put it into perspective theres about 80 teams in the english leagues who would love to be in our position at the moment, the expectations are maybe a bit too high.. i remember not too long ago watching liverpool supporters almost crying themselves to sleep because they were mid table.

i think the other reason is that players tend to move so quickly and teams change so rapidly that its harder to become attached to the players and team as a whole,

most teams and fans now know that if one of their players excels and becomes the best in the league, they will probably be off next season for a higher paycheck

agree totally and when this happens you think why bother but it's in the heart and probably always will be until I die

[Captain_Fishpaste]

Originally Posted by MonkeyLove

And that possibly of SAFC on the whole is that this club is becoming a stark model to apathy.

Quite a few people have touched on it and it sums up exactly how I feel right now. Not angry, not disappointed, disallousioned or fed up. Just an overriding numbness and lack of really caring. Basically caused by many years of "seeing it all before".

I have no overly strong feelings on a day to day basis any more for SAFC if I am honest. I still love them deep down but I just can't get excited about them. There is no point really as ultimately I think even my psyche knows now not to bother as it will only end in disappointment.

At least during the yo-yo years there were polar opposite up's & down's. Now the thing that we have been wanting for years - Midtable mediocrity - is if I am honest killing my interest.

It sounds bizarre and ridiculous but thats kind of how I feel.

I just have an overriding sense that even with one of the most supportive and best owners out, a legendary chairman and great team led by a (Supposedly) competent manager that we will still only ever be there or there abouts.

Perhaps a few cup runs may relight the interest and enthusiasm for the club but at the moment it is just like watching an all too familiar story.

I am only 28 so perhaps it is just a mid support crisis But after 20 years of conscious support if anything my feelings towards the club are just apathetic

Apathetic performances on the pitch will enevitably lead there. Our best days, atmosphere wise, were under Reid with frantic, direct, physical high-tempo football.

[MonkeyLove]

Originally Posted by Captain_Fishpaste

Apathetic performances on the pitch will enevitably lead there. Our best days, atmosphere wise, were under Reid with frantic, direct, physical high-tempo football.

Even under Reid when we were shite though I still had an interest. I could almost ignore the shite that we played as we were a team of limited talent, being backed by a chairman whose pot had run dry. Just surviving was good. And I could still get angry when we capitulated under Wilkinson's circus.

I think the thing that is getting me now is that everything 'Is' in place. This is exactly what I was looking forward to under the Reid years, that someone with money would bail us out, that we would invest heavily, that we would have a talented team and good manager and would progress.

I think ironically Murray summed it up on premier passions just after we had gone down when he said it pissed him off to see Coventry scrape up again, with a new manager every year, a new team, no stability etc... Perhaps its come to pass as they are now down in the Championship and we are stable.

But its how I feel when I look at the table now and think, what the fuck how are the Stoke's, the Bolton's, the Mags there etc... we have everything supposedly in place and yet still manage to fundementally underachieve.

Ive moaned about Stoke etc... to death so am going to stop

[Captain_Fishpaste]

Originally Posted by MonkeyLove

Even under Reid when we were shite though I still had an interest. I could almost ignore the shite that we played as we were a team of limited talent, being backed by a chairman whose pot had run dry. Just surviving was good. And I could still get angry when we capitulated under Wilkinson's circus.

I think the thing that is getting me now is that everything 'Is' in place. This is exactly what I was looking forward to under the Reid years, that someone with money would bail us out, that we would invest heavily, that we would have a talented team and good manager and would progress.

I think ironically Murray summed it up on premier passions just after we had gone down when he said it pissed him off to see Coventry scrape up again, with a new manager every year, a new team, no stability etc... Perhaps its come to pass as they are now down in the Championship and we are stable.

But its how I feel when I look at the table now and think, what the fuck how are the Stoke's, the Bolton's, the Mags there etc... we have everything supposedly in place and yet still manage to fundementally underachieve.

Ive moaned about Stoke etc... to death so am going to stop

I get the frustration, like. But I prefer to look at it as Stoke, Bolton, and Newcastle overachieving, than us underachieving.

But with regard this season, we are in a bad run and playing very poorly, but I am reassured that the issues are the ones that are easiest to fix - things like organisation etc. Give me those problems over the ones we have had in the past. I also look at it, see that in Bent, Cana, Jones, and Campbell, we have lost £35m+ worth of talent from last year's this season and wonder just what we should be achieving considering that and if we all haven't overestimated the rate of our progress a little.

I just think that Sunderland fans are made to suffer. It is just our lot in life. But considering where we were 5 years ago and how far we have come, I'll be damned if I allow myself to lose heart over a poor run. I'd have taken being within touching distance of the top-8 by this time back at the start of the season, so just trying to focus on that atm.

[chuckyroll]

Originally Posted by Captain_Fishpaste

I get the frustration, like. But I prefer to look at it as Stoke, Bolton, and Newcastle overachieving, than us underachieving.

But with regard this season, we are in a bad run and playing very poorly, but I am reassured that the issues are the ones that are easiest to fix - things like organisation etc. Give me those problems over the ones we have had in the past. I also look at it, see that in Bent, Cana, Jones, and Campbell, we have lost £35m+ worth of talent from last year's this season and wonder just what we should be achieving considering that and if we all haven't overestimated the rate of our progress a little.

I just think that Sunderland fans are made to suffer. It is just our lot in life. But considering where we were 5 years ago and how far we have come, I'll be damned if I allow myself to lose heart over a poor run. I'd have taken being within touching distance of the top-8 by this time back at the start of the season, so just trying to focus on that atm.

howay man when do the excuses stop

[Karl Marx II]

Originally Posted by MonkeyLove

And that possibly of SAFC on the whole is that this club is becoming a stark model to apathy.

Quite a few people have touched on it and it sums up exactly how I feel right now. Not angry, not disappointed, disallousioned or fed up. Just an overriding numbness and lack of really caring. Basically caused by many years of "seeing it all before".

I have no overly strong feelings on a day to day basis any more for SAFC if I am honest. I still love them deep down but I just can't get excited about them. There is no point really as ultimately I think even my psyche knows now not to bother as it will only end in disappointment.

At least during the yo-yo years there were polar opposite up's & down's. Now the thing that we have been wanting for years - Midtable mediocrity - is if I am honest killing my interest.

It sounds bizarre and ridiculous but thats kind of how I feel.

I just have an overriding sense that even with one of the most supportive and best owners out, a legendary chairman and great team led by a (Supposedly) competent manager that we will still only ever be there or there abouts.

Perhaps a few cup runs may relight the interest and enthusiasm for the club but at the moment it is just like watching an all too familiar story.

I am only 28 so perhaps it is just a mid support crisis But after 20 years of conscious support if anything my feelings towards the club are just apathetic

I would hazard a guess that the yo-yo years are about to return.