History Of Ireland

[super sleeves]

The one that was on on Monday, starting from the Ulster plantations.
Brilliant stuff, watch it on the iPlayer

[smoker]

It's good. Feargal Keane has got pelters from Republicans though, accused of being a pro-Brit 'Uncle Tom'. Seems fairly balanced to me though, doesn't pull any punches about the cnutish way we treated the Irish in the 16th-18th centuries.

[super sleeves]

Originally Posted by smoker

It's good. Feargal Keane has got pelters from Republicans though, accused of being a pro-Brit 'Uncle Tom'. Seems fairly balanced to me though, doesn't pull any punches about the cnutish way we treated the Irish in the 16th-18th centuries.

The same way they put English babies on a spit and roasted them I'll just throw that in *bait*

[smoker]

Originally Posted by super sleeves

The same way they put English babies on a spit and roasted them I'll just throw that in *bait*

This bloke isn't happy...

http://www.sceala.com/phpBB2/irish-forums-25331.html

[robin hood]

Were made
Killed each other
Killed snakes
Got fucked
Killed each other
Ran out of tatties
Killed each other

That was easy

[peterleeyacker]

Originally Posted by smoker

This bloke isn't happy...

http://www.sceala.com/phpBB2/irish-forums-25331.html

link is not working fella

[smoker]

Originally Posted by peterleeyacker

link is not working fella

Originally Posted by Thor

RTE and BBC have supposedly joined together to produce a new tv history of Ireland.
RTE have promoted this new history of Ireland TV as myth busting. RTE inform us that Fergal Keane OBE (Order of the British Empire) -is just the man to enlighten us all to our foolish ways and ignorance. RTE informs us that Keane OBE is going to debunk Irish myths on our behalf.

The Story Of Ireland RTE BBC presented by Fergal Keane OBE.
Will it really be myth busting as promoted - or yet another British inspired revisionist history of Ireland. Revisionism with purpose - to promote the conclusion of Britain as a misunderstood benefactor - and Irish resistance to British terror, colonialism and empire - as irrational violent - corrupted and ignorant.
From Fergal Keane's OBE record to date -
We should expect to view all the many English attempts at genocide of the native population of Ireland - placed in some context, one that begs us to understand British terrorism - as not really terrorism.
From Fergal Keane OBE record to date - we can expect no such understanding through context for the Irish - for anyone who tried to physically resist British terror.

This Story Of Ireland has all the ingredients of a BBC- British crafted pro Union work that RTE have bought into.
Fergal Keane OBE the presenter - a pro-unionist BBC journalist who has made his biased and pro-union views well known by chance or design.
In this link for example in 2001 -the so called Irishman - Fergal Keane OBE, profess too much his incorrect usage of Ulster - more befitting a semi-literate drum and lager loyalist, than impartial thoughtful journalist.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...ng-632796.html
Irish Myths - but not any of the many more British myths - have clearly kept Keane OBE awake at night for several years.
In 2001 salaried by the BBC - Keane was busy making myths himself. With careful craft - Keane starts off his debunking of myths with what appears to be some reasoning, a sense of equity to reach fair conclusion - before reverting comfortably into his one sided pro British view of targeting only Irish myths.

Fergal Keane OBE has bias and a distant view of Irish events - clearly holds views as shameful as those he often attempts to demean as simplistic and extreme.
If Fergal Keane OBE - was not reason enough to cast very serious doubts as to the credibility and impartiality of this new Irish history tv program - then other factors about this apparent RTE - BBC joint production most certainly do -
* The BBC hired a writer with no great historical pedigree - a Trinity College graduate - to write their script.
When the BBC - a integral part of the British establishment, who promote a British view of the world - chose Trinity College - they chose well.
Trinity College Dublin that most ancient of anti Irish and pro English Union institutions. A Institution that has produced a number of quite shameless so called historians. Such as the revisionist so called myth busting Foster - more British than the British than credibly a impartial historian.
The BBC - not RTE - specifically searched out Trinity to hire a suitable scriptwriter.
With no unique historical research to be credibly acclaimed. Written by a Trinity College writer with no great historical pedigree - as directed by a OBE and the BBC. This story of Ireland is not likely to be any credible or genuine attempt to understand and communicate the history of Ireland. Not a history of Ireland from any new and different angle, or enlightened perspective.
Regrettably - the ingredients of Keane OBE history of Ireland are ready made for bias. Just another Irish history based upon well worn British bias and wishful thinking - Simplistic assumptions of the past, where England is ancient and the centre of the world.
A trailer has Keane referring to Normans as Anglo Normans and English. Such obvious historical inaccuracies raises serious questions to Keane's motives - if not his intellect. Did Keane OBE or the Trinity script writer, ever wonder around the real identification of the French speaking Normans based in Wales, on the mercenary commission of a French speaking King based in France.

Was Keane ever once at any time in his life - curious enough to investigate if a identifiable English race or English language actually existed at the time of the Norman invasion of Ireland?

This story Of Ireland has all the ingredients in place to be a typical pro British-pro union view of Irish history and culture.
Nothing new, so why now?
Fergal Keane OBE story Of Ireland is being shown now, for more reason than curiosity or academia.
This Story Of Ireland presented by a OBE is most likely being aired now for specific reason.
1. To demean and dilute a distinct Irish identity- confuse Irish nationalism - in order to promote and encourage a more accommodating climate for the visit of the British Queen Elizabeth 11 - planned for this year.
This is almost certainly the reason for this revised history lesson now.
If not. then it is
2. Another attempt to further promote the dual -and ironically conflicting notions - of a sketchy - non-specific Irish identity, at the same time as a distinct pure Protestant Ulster identity. Fergal Keane OBE will carry on what the British under Thatcher termed the Ulsterization and criminalization of what they called the Irish problem.
[b]Expect Keane OBE to Impress at every opportunity - the problems of Ireland being rooted in a rather unfortunate religious divide. If it was not for Catholics, then Ireland could be mature, as one with the great and enlightened UK and empire, that Keane so obviously is proud to serve.
Do not expect from Keane OBE the plain stark and obvious truth. Ireland's problems are not rooted in Religion, the problems all stem from foreign colonization, from England and the purposeful divisions of the native Irish population. Divide and conquer was the aim before a Protestant existed. Divisions continuously created by London to keep their stolen land and power in Ireland. Keane will not keep impressing this basic truth and shame his British Queen that he bows before.
Do not expect Keane to inform us how the UK set out to destroy the Republic and the Irish, how London stole all the bullion in the Irish banks, valued at least 100 billion today.
Keane will do what all good BBC journalists have done, tell the story of the Irish problem so simply.

The BBC have a history - they led the propaganda broadcasts on behalf of Conservative Governments - the BBC did their very best to portray the six counties as natural, a distinct nation.
Naming the separated six counties of Ireland - Ulster - as often as they could, was no careless oversight. The BBC purposely promoted ignorance - provided credibility to sectarian and racial extremists like Dr No Paisley.
The link above from 2001 shows that - Fergal Keane OBE was a most willing servant of the Ulsterization and criminalization campaign.

If this program proves to be impartial - no stressing of Ulster being six counties for classic example, then we can congratulate the BBC for a first for them on the subject of Ireland and Irish history.
And of course Fergal Keane Order Of the British Empire.

Basically hasn't watched the show but it must be anti-Irish, because it's BBC and Feargal Keane has an OBE.

[Cockney Mackem]

Originally Posted by smoker

Basically hasn't watched the show but it must be anti-Irish, because it's BBC and Feargal Keane has an OBE.

Good old pro-Labour, pro-Tory, PC, anti-PC, anti-British, anti-Irish, anti-Unionist BBC

[Barry Siddall]

Originally Posted by super sleeves

The one that was on on Monday, starting from the Ulster plantations.
Brilliant stuff, watch it on the iPlayer

Watched it anarl marra - heard quite a few of the stories in the past but still always interesting.

watched that "men who won't stop marching" anarl been down the Shankill and falls before - its like a different planet (or parts of London )

[robin hood]

See this is the thread im looking for. Type ireland or history, or history of ireland in the search and does it come up in results? No it fucking doesnt. Instead i get ancient threads about stephen fucking ireland