One more reason why I'm finding it difficult to vote New Labour...

[LeicesterMackem]

Yet another example of half-baked illiberal legislation bounced through Parliament.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8608478.stm

[not spavin]

While there's plenty wrong with this bill, the outrage to it gets on my wick.

If there's a better solution to the problem (for it is a problem) of illegal downloading, I'd like to hear it.

Originally Posted by LeicesterMackem

Yet another example of half-baked illiberal legislation bounced through Parliament.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8608478.stm

Do you ever have or "do" fun?

[AB22 Easy Tiger]

I'm rather happy they ditched clause 43. It would have allowed anyone to use my photographs without my permission.

[Christ On A Bike]

Originally Posted by not spavin

While there's plenty wrong with this bill, the outrage to it gets on my wick.

If there's a better solution to the problem (for it is a problem) of illegal downloading, I'd like to hear it.

What problem?

[Rex]

Originally Posted by LeicesterMackem

Yet another example of half-baked illiberal legislation bounced through Parliament.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8608478.stm

Couldn't agree more. Although this bill is far far worse...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...ever-bill.html

Sorry about the source

[JonMc]

Originally Posted by not spavin

While there's plenty wrong with this bill, the outrage to it gets on my wick.

If there's a better solution to the problem (for it is a problem) of illegal downloading, I'd like to hear it.

Agreed.

[Big Sharp Teeth]

Originally Posted by not spavin

While there's plenty wrong with this bill, the outrage to it gets on my wick.

If there's a better solution to the problem (for it is a problem) of illegal downloading, I'd like to hear it.

How about prosecuting the downloader/uploader?

edit: and this bill (and the problems with it) is not only about illegal downloading

[not spavin]

Originally Posted by JonMc

Agreed.

Graham Linehan is constantly banging on about it on Twitter. A few weeks back he was getting his knickers in a twist about some artist who claimed that Paperchase had nicked her design (they hadn't).

He and his followers couldn't see the irony in getting outraged about this supposed copyright theft, then getting angry about attempts to curtail internet piracy.

Originally Posted by Big Sharp Teeth

How about prosecuting the downloader/uploader?

The bill covers 'suspicious' activity, in that any activity that involves uploading / downloading lots of data from sites known for illegal filesharing. Getting caught doing this will result in a written warning. On receipt of this, you can appeal to your ISP - if you have a genuine excuse, you can use it. Ignore the warning and do it again, then you'll get another warning. Ignore this, carry on in your activities, and you'll get cut off.

It's not the most elegant solution, but what's the alternative?

[MattyM 09/109]

Originally Posted by not spavin

While there's plenty wrong with this bill, the outrage to it gets on my wick.

If there's a better solution to the problem (for it is a problem) of illegal downloading, I'd like to hear it.

1. Provide better legal service for reasonable price. iTunes proved that people will download music legally for a reasonable price rather than illegally when it's made quick and easy

2. Stop loading legally bought products with drm. CDs and DVDs which dont play on computers, games loaded with dial home drm software. I have 3 games I bought then downloaded the hacked version of to get around drm so i could actually use them,

3. Stop trying to pretend movie and music piracy has, or is, hurting your business while you are posting record profits. People download things. People are exposed to said things. They either buy them or others do by word of mouth. Hell stop calling it piracy and write it off as the best spent advertising expense ever.

All in all stop trying to legislate to try to drag the last few pennies out of dead and dying business practices. Stop corrupting the entire political process by throwing more money at lawyers and political parties and having massively innapropriate laws passed because you fuckers know you can misuse them. Stop pretending people havent recorded shit off tv and radio, swapped amiga disks with friends and bought dodgy chinese copies of music for a lot of years, well before you were making so much money from them, shitty ringtones based on them, shitty tv programs finding people willing to sell their sole to you, and the myriad of other ways you have ravaged your customers for years.

That should cut it down some.

As far the government passing through a law in the dead of night that had little support, doesnt really understand what it is legislating and is already pretty much outdated and unenforceable, well, would anyone really ever think to themselves "No, I'm sure our elected representatives wouldnt do that"