our defence and Jutkiewicz's goal

MoreSouthAmericans · 9th February 2012, 09:55 AM

Turner seems to be getting the blame for this and he really should have got the ball but O'Shea is just as or even more so culpable for allowing that kid to beat him in the air

actually i've noticed in the last few games that he can be really poor in the air when he's defending- in the first game against boro especially but he was alright against stoke which is suprising

If it had been Bramble, Main would never have won that ball.
I'm not whinging however- he's done a fantastic job on the whole but its this part of his game that reminds me he's not primarily a centre half.

Turner was half asleep- it looked like he thought O'shea was gonna get it so just panicked when it came towards him and missed it completely.

hopefully aerial balls wont be a problem against arsenal- but if they are heading is krygiakos's speciality i believe

also liked that MO'N was tring something new by trying to get Turner to play like David Luis and keep getting forward- didnt come off but his height in the box gave us a different option. it could have worked had our crossing been as good as it was against Norwich

Lord Alfred · 9th February 2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreSouthAmericans

Turner seems to be getting the blame for this and he really should have got the ball but O'Shea is just as or even more so culpable for allowing that kid to beat him in the air

actually i've noticed in the last few games that he can be really poor in the air when he's defending- in the first game against boro especially but he was alright against stoke which is suprising

If it had been Bramble, Main would never have won that ball.
I'm not whinging however- he's done a fantastic job on the whole but its this part of his game that reminds me he's not primarily a centre half.

Turner was half asleep- it looked like he thought O'shea was gonna get it so just panicked when it came towards him and missed it completely.

hopefully aerial balls wont be a problem against arsenal- but if they are heading is krygiakos's speciality i believe

also liked that MO'N was tring something new by trying to get Turner to play like David Luis and keep getting forward- didnt come off but his height in the box gave us a different option. it could have worked had our crossing been as good as it was against Norwich

Probably the only time you will see the two compared in print....

MoreSouthAmericans · 9th February 2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Alfred

Probably the only time you will see the two compared in print....

Im joking about David Luis lol but I was thinking- fucking hell Colbacks not that tall is he - then- fuck me wtf is turner doing up there

Lord Alfred · 9th February 2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreSouthAmericans

Im joking about David Luis lol but I was thinking- fucking hell Colbacks not that tall is he - then- fuck me wtf is turner doing up there

Aye, there were a couple of occasions when he was "johnny on the spot" in the box and while any tactic that catches the opposition unaware has to be a good thing you do need the right personnel to make it work and Turner (imo) doesn't have the movement, pace, speed of thought or composure in those positions.

It certainly gives food for thought though should O'Neill invest in an actual "David Luiz" type as it can work.

Repswick · 9th February 2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreSouthAmericans

Turner seems to be getting the blame for this and he really should have got the ball but O'Shea is just as or even more so culpable for allowing that kid to beat him in the air

actually i've noticed in the last few games that he can be really poor in the air when he's defending- in the first game against boro especially but he was alright against stoke which is suprising

If it had been Bramble, Main would never have won that ball.
I'm not whinging however- he's done a fantastic job on the whole but its this part of his game that reminds me he's not primarily a centre half.

Turner was half asleep- it looked like he thought O'shea was gonna get it so just panicked when it came towards him and missed it completely.

hopefully aerial balls wont be a problem against arsenal- but if they are heading is krygiakos's speciality i believe

also liked that MO'N was tring something new by trying to get Turner to play like David Luis and keep getting forward- didnt come off but his height in the box gave us a different option. it could have worked had our crossing been as good as it was against Norwich

Haway man mate, so O' Shea was beaten in the air. It happens. Turner just completely missed the ball under no challenge. I'm not one for scapegoating, but it was Turner to blame. No way you can put that on O' Shea. We were very comfortable until that moment. It was a mistake. It happens.

MoreSouthAmericans · 9th February 2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Repswick

Haway man mate, so O' Shea was beaten in the air. It happens. Turner just completely missed the ball under no challenge. I'm not one for scapegoating, but it was Turner to blame. No way you can put that on O' Shea. We were very comfortable until that moment. It was a mistake. It happens.

I understand but it's not good enough- hes supposed to be a champions league player and he was beaten in the air by a shorter 19 year old kid.
It was a simple enough headed clearence than he lost out on and it played Turner into trouble imo. turner should have done better but he shouldnt have been in that situation in the first place.

I understand it happens but it's this kind of defending that loses you games- O'Shea fluffed his lines and Turner switched off and wasn't covering him.

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Originally Posted by Lord Alfred

Aye, there were a couple of occasions when he was "johnny on the spot" in the box and while any tactic that catches the opposition unaware has to be a good thing you do need the right personnel to make it work and Turner (imo) doesn't have the movement, pace, speed of thought or composure in those positions.

It certainly gives food for thought though should O'Neill invest in an actual "David Luiz" type as it can work.

good post- and yeah i agree that kind of defender would give us a whole new option.
I always thought thats what Da Silva would have been for us- he was clearly a decent player. never given a proper chance by Bruce

I mean Only Steve 'tactics' Bruce would buy a 5foot tall centre half then whine because he's no good in the air FFS

Giggity · 9th February 2012, 10:41 AM

JOS lost a headed challenge. That happens.

Turned got himself totally in the wrong place and ball went over his head. That shouldn't happen.

Almost Genius · 9th February 2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Giggity

JOS lost a headed challenge. That happens.

Turned got himself totally in the wrong place and ball went over his head. That shouldn't happen.

this

and it'll probably never happen that poorly again

and we still won

Euro Plums · 9th February 2012, 10:44 AM

It was like the parting of the Red Sea.

hugo · 9th February 2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreSouthAmericans

Turner seems to be getting the blame for this and he really should have got the ball but O'Shea is just as or even more so culpable for allowing that kid to beat him in the air

actually i've noticed in the last few games that he can be really poor in the air when he's defending- in the first game against boro especially but he was alright against stoke which is suprising

If it had been Bramble, Main would never have won that ball.
I'm not whinging however- he's done a fantastic job on the whole but its this part of his game that reminds me he's not primarily a centre half.

Turner was half asleep- it looked like he thought O'shea was gonna get it so just panicked when it came towards him and missed it completely.

hopefully aerial balls wont be a problem against arsenal- but if they are heading is krygiakos's speciality i believe

also liked that MO'N was tring something new by trying to get Turner to play like David Luis and keep getting forward- didnt come off but his height in the box gave us a different option. it could have worked had our crossing been as good as it was against Norwich

said the same thing last night