CC D1: Surrey v Durham

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Depends how we play Surreys two spinners tomorrow. I would prefer the 301 lead run, their two spinners are decent at county level.

Which is what I said, of course we'd rather have the lead. But for the next twelve hours or so, it's even.

"Shaved pitch at both ends " no wonder our seamers found the going hard work.

Pisses me off that this coin toss shit has meant counties like Surrey can doctor their pitches to suit spinners but the clubs who have experienced success with seamers are in effect penalised.

So now we have a situation where a 40 year old neverwasbeen can continue his county career on the back of such a decision designed to bring through new talent.......

Is it coincidence that we're already getting injuries to promising seamers at the same time? Possibly, but then this toss shit is a backward step IMO.
 
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Which is what I said, of course we'd rather have the lead. But for the next twelve hours or so, it's even.



Pisses me off that this coin toss shit has meant counties like Surrey can doctor their pitches to suit spinners but the clubs who have experienced success with seamers are in effect penalised.

So now we have a situation where a 40 year old neverwasbeen can continue his county career on the back of such a decision designed to bring through new talent.......

Is it coincidence that we're already getting injuries to promising seamers at the same time? Possibly, but then this toss shit is a backward step IMO.
You sound very bitter there Brandon. Our two spinners never turned a ball in a day and a half and never looked like taking a wicket.
 
You sound very bitter there Brandon. Our two spinners never turned a ball in a day and a half and never looked like taking a wicket.

Are you there? Did you see that for yourself? Do you know that their spinners have turned it? Jennings and Stoneman both missed straight ones - which tells me it's more batsman error than excellent bowling.
 
The pitch has been shaved at both ends to assist spinners as the pitch wears.i.e. in the last 2 days.
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The idea being that batting last will be the hardest innings of the game, their spinners will probably be on from about the 6th over in our second innings.
 
Bitter at what? The toss situation? Yes, I am, because the bloke who thought up the idea must be a f***ing moron. We are the best country in the world at seam bowling (and at playing it) so why doctor pitches to nullify our greatest weapon?!

Don't tell me it's about bringing spinners through because Shane Warne (who's opinion I'll always listen to regards spin bowling) says that if a pitch will seam it will also turn.
 
Are you there? Did you see that for yourself? Do you know that their spinners have turned it? Jennings and Stoneman both missed straight ones - which tells me it's more batsman error than excellent bowling.
Missing straight ones usually means a lot weren't straight
 
Bitter at what? The toss situation? Yes, I am, because the bloke who thought up the idea must be a f***ing moron. We are the best country in the world at seam bowling (and at playing it) so why doctor pitches to nullify our greatest weapon?!

Don't tell me it's about bringing spinners through because Shane Warne (who's opinion I'll always listen to regards spin bowling) says that if a pitch will seam it will also turn.

The same Shane Warne thinks the new toss idea is the best thing the ECB have ever done and is a huge step forward for spin bowling! Being an opinion you always listen to and that ;)
 
The same Shane Warne thinks the new toss idea is the best thing the ECB have ever done and is a huge step forward for spin bowling! Being an opinion you always listen to and that ;)

I agree with @brandon its a f***ing stupid idea

We have always produced decent spinners in my life time, Swann was by far the best in the world, Monty was world class for a few years, then we've had people like Giles who did a job, even Tuffers was canny.

How many world class spinners are there in the world? Not many like, India have Ashwin, who is decent, but nobody else.

I'm not as upset as others about it, but I fail to see why we are obsessed with producing loads of spinners, we only play one.
 
Are you there? Did you see that for yourself? Do you know that their spinners have turned it? Jennings and Stoneman both missed straight ones - which tells me it's more batsman error than excellent bowling.
Never mentioned their spinners turning it, i said our spinners did not turn it.600 runs have been scored in a day and a half play that is an excellent batting wicket and if it does produce turn on day 3 a 4 then that makes it even better.
 
Early days but I actually think the toss thing is having a positive effect. Granted this may not help Durham, but even in this game if Surrey prepare a turner, they still only have a 50/50 chance of winning a toss, so could easily go the other way.

For me I am just please to see the likes of Rocky and Jennings getting a chance to bat on decent early season wickets without worrying where the next unplayable ball is coming from. It is up to us to get our spin department sorted as we can no longer rely on our seamers nibbling it all over. I spoke to a couple of the players last week who said the Riverside is actually as flat as it comes this season. Makes you wonder whether we deliberately played on real green seamers the past few years, especially given the new groundsman has it so good within a year. Not complaining as we have had so much success, but looking from the outside it may be a good thing for cricket, and our up and coming batsmen. I'm sure Jack Burnham has more chance of making it with these new toss regulations
 
Never mentioned their spinners turning it, i said our spinners did not turn it.600 runs have been scored in a day and a half play that is an excellent batting wicket and if it does produce turn on day 3 a 4 then that makes it even better.

You didn't answer my question. Are you there? Have you seen for yourself that our spinners haven't turned it?

The same Shane Warne thinks the new toss idea is the best thing the ECB have ever done and is a huge step forward for spin bowling! Being an opinion you always listen to and that ;)

For spin yes, I do always listen. On the points I've made regarding seam however I believe that is the most important thing we should be looking to develop.

Missing straight ones usually means a lot weren't straight

I read nothing into it except he's missed a straight one. Usually is just an assumption.
 
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Early days but I actually think the toss thing is having a positive effect. Granted this may not help Durham, but even in this game if Surrey prepare a turner, they still only have a 50/50 chance of winning a toss, so could easily go the other way.

For me I am just please to see the likes of Rocky and Jennings getting a chance to bat on decent early season wickets without worrying where the next unplayable ball is coming from. It is up to us to get our spin department sorted as we can no longer rely on our seamers nibbling it all over. I spoke to a couple of the players last week who said the Riverside is actually as flat as it comes this season. Makes you wonder whether we deliberately played on real green seamers the past few years, especially given the new groundsman has it so good within a year. Not complaining as we have had so much success, but looking from the outside it may be a good thing for cricket, and our up and coming batsmen. I'm sure Jack Burnham has more chance of making it with these new toss regulations

The start of this season around the country has been poor, who wants to watch high scoring draws? not me.

England produce world class players already.
 
The start of this season around the country has been poor, who wants to watch high scoring draws? not me.

England produce world class players already.

I agree it isn't quite there yet, but IMO its a heck of a lot better than 4 innings with no scores over 220. In an ideal world counties would prepare wickets where there is genuine competition between bat and ball where it does a bit early on, then flattens out once the batsmen have battled through the tough period. Maybe they should have kept the toss and the ECB should have just regulated pitches a bit more effectively.

I still maintain that wickets like the Riverside has been the past few seasons, whilst serving Durham well, have not helped our up and coming batsmen.
 
I agree it isn't quite there yet, but IMO its a heck of a lot better than 4 innings with no scores over 220. In an ideal world counties would prepare wickets where there is genuine competition between bat and ball where it does a bit early on, then flattens out once the batsmen have battled through the tough period. Maybe they should have kept the toss and the ECB should have just regulated pitches a bit more effectively.

I still maintain that wickets like the Riverside has been the past few seasons, whilst serving Durham well, have not helped our up and coming batsmen.

This has been massively exagerated like, there were a handful of grounds in the 2nd div that were poor, the first division has been fine

lets not pretend its been unplayable, it hasn't.
 
I agree it isn't quite there yet, but IMO its a heck of a lot better than 4 innings with no scores over 220. In an ideal world counties would prepare wickets where there is genuine competition between bat and ball where it does a bit early on, then flattens out once the batsmen have battled through the tough period. Maybe they should have kept the toss and the ECB should have just regulated pitches a bit more effectively.

I still maintain that wickets like the Riverside has been the past few seasons, whilst serving Durham well, have not helped our up and coming batsmen.

If the ECB had a problem with pitches in the past few years, why were no clubs fined or docked points?
 
With all the hours lost the past couple of days throughout the Championship, why aren't teams on the pitch earlier making time up (where playable)?
 
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