Great British Benifits Handout

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hexhamali said:
Some people need the money though, why does someone who has benefited from their social standing in terms of education etc deserve more money than someone who hasn't had all these opportunities and as such finds it difficult to find work?
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It may be that people who work see the benefits of a proper education and therefore encourage their offspring to go to school.

If somebody does not go to school because they don't want too don't really deserve to be molly coddled through life and supported by those people who did go to school and find work. why are they benefiting from their social standing. typical left wing claptrap

Everyone has the right to go to school, some choose not to
 
hexhamali said:
But people have had different opportunities in life
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Awww. Bless the little poppets.

Didn't get any qualifications? Wonder why? f***ing about at school? Getting kicked out? Ruining school for any fucker that wanted to learn?

And what do they get for being lazy bastards their entire f***ing life? Sympathy from you, contempt from me, a free hand from the Nash and carte Blanche to knock out as many little 'mini me' scrounging arseholes as they wish.
 
hexhamali said:
Some people need the money though, why does someone who has benefited from their social standing in terms of education etc deserve more money than someone who hasn't had all these opportunities and as such finds it difficult to find work?
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No one is disputing that there should be a safety net. It's the people who have no intention of looking for work who people get wound up by.

rickopooly said:
Awww. Bless the little poppets.

Didn't get any qualifications? Wonder why? f***ing about at school? Getting kicked out? Ruining school for any fucker that wanted to learn?

And what do they get for being lazy bastards their entire f***ing life? Sympathy from you, contempt from me, a free hand from the Nash and carte Blanche to knock out as many little 'mini me' scrounging arseholes as they wish.
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Let's remember that educational opportunities don't end when you leave school. There's so many training opportunities out there should people choose to take them. It's as if some people just don't want to work :lol:
 
soapster said:
It may be that people who work see the benefits of a proper education and therefore encourage their offspring to go to school.

If somebody does not go to school because they don't want too don't really deserve to be molly coddled through life and supported by those people who did go to school and find work. why are they benefiting from their social standing. typical left wing claptrap

Everyone has the right to go to school, some choose not to
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You're totally disregarding any other issues though. It's not a child's responsibility to get themselves to school. What if their parents are drug addicts who don't wake them up for school. What if they're from a poor background and as such don't fit in at school leading them to become disenchanted etc. It's not as simple as you want it to be.
 
Steeeeed said:
No one is disputing that there should be a safety net. It's the people who have no intention of looking for work who people get wound up by.
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They should get wound up by things that actually negatively affect them.

If a bloke wants to spend his life on the dole then let him. There'll always be enough folk who actually have ambition, who actually want to own their own home (something you can never do on the dole) own your own car (something which is hard to do on the dole) go on holiday regularly (something which is hard to do on the dole) buy expensive consumer goods (something which is hard to do on the dole) and put in the graft at work to earn large sums of money (something which is impossible on the dole) oh and not to mention actually achieving something in your life (something which you can't do on the dole)

You know how much I'd get, if I were on the dole? I'm 25. I work full-time. I pay tax. I'd get £749 a month. After rent I'd have £350 a month to live off. In work, after rent, I have £800 a month to live off.

It's a f***ing no brainer to be in work. The way people go on on here it's as if being on the dole is a ticket to a blissful, work-free life. Is it fuck, it'd be a massive struggle.
 
Frijj said:
They should get wound up by things that actually negatively affect them.

If a bloke wants to spend his life on the dole then let him. There'll always be enough folk who actually have ambition, who actually want to own their own home (something you can never do on the dole) own your own car (something which is hard to do on the dole) go on holiday regularly (something which is hard to do on the dole) buy expensive consumer goods (something which is hard to do on the dole) and put in the graft at work to earn large sums of money (something which is impossible on the dole) oh and not to mention actually achieving something in your life (something which you can't do on the dole)

You know how much I'd get, if I were on the dole? I'm 25. I work full-time. I pay tax. I'd get £749 a month. After rent I'd have £350 a month to live off. In work, after rent, I have £800 a month to live off.

It's a f***ing no brainer to be in work. The way people go on on here it's as if being on the dole is a ticket to a blissful, work-free life. Is it fuck, it'd be a massive struggle.
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This is absolutely bang on.
 
Steeeeed said:
No one is disputing that there should be a safety net. It's the people who have no intention of looking for work who people get wound up by.


Let's remember that educational opportunities don't end when you leave school. There's so many training opportunities out there should people choose to take them. It's as if some people just don't want to work :lol:
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Bloody hell, you're right. It is just like that!
 
Frijj said:
So you think that these 'career unemployed' people that you see dozens of, should have all benefits stripped from them regardless of dependent children?

What if they try and still cannot get a job? What if they really do try, then what? They turn to crime to feed their families? How many children need to be starving and hungry for your crusade against the career unemployed to be worthwhile?

I'm sure that parents being a good role model does have a good effect on children, I'm not disputing that, but what you're suggesting will lead to people turning to crime and children being taken into care at potentially a greater cost than the benefits given out.

Please explain to me what makes me a do-gooder, why that's a bad thing, and why exactly you're right. What logic brought you to this conclusion?
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Therein lies the problem and why certain people will always get away with been too lazy too work,because too punish them effects innocent children and of course a society like us should never make innocent children suffer.

Not only that,but the government to tackle child poverty in the past have made very generous payments to benefit claimants who have children,this actually has had the effect of letting these lazy people not only avoid work,but also no incentive to find work,hence staying on benefit.

That's why no matter what people say it is extremely hard to tackle,in one hand I understand people's frustration about certain benefit claimants,but in another the government will and has always rightly made sure children in this country are not put in a vulnerable situation.

However do all benefit claimants spend all their child benefit and child tax credit on their children,probably not but how could you ever police that.


There is no easy solution IMO.
 
soapster said:
is it not common sense. Here is your dole money for a year. That means it has to last you a year

why do we have pamper around these people who will not look after themselves
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What about those's that struggle to look after themselves such a those's suffering with depression, anxiety or lack functional skills because of learning difficulties? There are many barriers and issue's that face unemployed people that prevent them from not only to gaining employment but also to be able to manage their life properly on a day to day basis. One shoe does not fit all.
 
hexhamali said:
You're totally disregarding any other issues though. It's not a child's responsibility to get themselves to school. What if their parents are drug addicts who don't wake them up for school. What if they're from a poor background and as such don't fit in at school leading them to become disenchanted etc. It's not as simple as you want it to be.
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Your 'solution' isn't likely to change these inequities though, more likely to institutionalise such behaviours.
 
hexhamali said:
You're totally disregarding any other issues though. It's not a child's responsibility to get themselves to school. What if their parents are drug addicts who don't wake them up for school. What if they're from a poor background and as such don't fit in at school leading them to become disenchanted etc. It's not as simple as you want it to be.
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I am not disregarding any issues at all. Do you think I was parachuted onto this earth and given a decent job.

being poor is no excuse for not going to school and quite frankly is an insult to all those families who manage to get up before their children to ensure they go to school.

Amazing some parents even find enough time to make their children a couple of slices of toast or give them a bowl of cornflakes.

Some even manage to ensure their childrens shoes are polished and are wearing a clean shirt / blouse.

Some parents even find enough time to get themselves dressed and walk with their children to school and give them a cheery wave as they enter the school yard.

Is there a bit of a clue there.

It is up to the parents as good role models
 
Voice of fair play said:
Therein lies the problem and why certain people will always get away with been too lazy too work,because too punish them effects innocent children and of course a society like us should never make innocent children suffer.

Not only that,but the government to tackle child poverty in the past have made very generous payments to benefit claimants who have children,this actually has had the effect of letting these lazy people not only avoid work,but also no incentive to find work,hence staying on benefit.

That's why no matter what people say it is extremely hard to tackle,in one hand I understand people's frustration about certain benefit claimants,but in another the government will and has always rightly made sure children in this country are not put in a vulnerable situation.

However do all benefit claimants spend all their child benefit and child tax credit on their children,probably not but how could you ever police that.


There is no easy solution IMO.
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I agree there isn't an easy solution. It's quite sad that there's folk on here willing to punish innocent children for the mistakes of their parents but I suppose that's the hyperbolic antipathy that comes from reading the red-tops and watching Channel 5.

If only you all felt as angry about income inequality or austerity or poverty or tax avoidance or any other major economic issue affecting this country rather than the actions of a tiny minority hugely blown out of proportion by a government and media with an agenda.
 
tunstall birdman said:
What about those's that struggle to look after themselves such a those's suffering with depression, anxiety or lack functional skills because of learning difficulties? There are many barriers and issue's that face unemployed people that prevent them from not only to gaining employment but also to be able to manage their life properly on a day to day basis. One shoe does not fit all.
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Agree with this.
 
tunstall birdman said:
What about those's that struggle to look after themselves such a those's suffering with depression, anxiety or lack functional skills because of learning difficulties? There are many barriers and issue's that face unemployed people that prevent them from not only to gaining employment but also to be able to manage their life properly on a day to day basis. One shoe does not fit all.
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Another problem,there is like you say plenty of genuine people who need help with depression and anxiety,however experience tells me the are plenty people who take advantage and play the depression card when nowt wrong with them.

When you to try to stop the liars and con artists inevitably the genuine end up suffering.

Frijj said:
I agree there isn't an easy solution. It's quite sad that there's folk on here willing to punish innocent children for the mistakes of their parents but I suppose that's the hyperbolic antipathy that comes from reading the red-tops and watching Channel 5.

If only you all felt as angry about income inequality or austerity or poverty or tax avoidance or any other major economic issue affecting this country rather than the actions of a tiny minority hugely blown out of proportion by a government and media with an agenda.
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IMO the tax avoidance issue is a convivent argument to defend the work shy,both are wrong and are totally separate issues and should both be tackled.

Also some people's opinions on here made just might be their opinion and not because of channel 5 or the red tops
 
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Frijj said:
I agree there isn't an easy solution. It's quite sad that there's folk on here willing to punish innocent children for the mistakes of their parents but I suppose that's the hyperbolic antipathy that comes from reading the red-tops and watching Channel 5.

If only you all felt as angry about income inequality or austerity or poverty or tax avoidance or any other major economic issue affecting this country rather than the actions of a tiny minority hugely blown out of proportion by a government and media with an agenda.
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@Frijj
It's not a tiny minority though. Hartlepool in the '80's taking the piss was 'the business to be in', I doubt things have changed now these societal stalwarts are parents (prably f***ing grandparents) themselves.
 
tunstall birdman said:
What about those's that struggle to look after themselves such a those's suffering with depression, anxiety or lack functional skills because of learning difficulties?

There are many barriers and issue's that face unemployed people that prevent them from not only to gaining employment but also to be able to manage their life properly on a day to day basis. One shoe does not fit all.
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I agree with you on that one. There are many barriers to us all no matter our background, but hose barriers are so much less if we had a decent education in being able to read and write and given the correct moral guidance as opposed to expecting everyone else to look after and support.

Some people will always need support and we have to be able to offer that
 
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