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As part of a coordinated strategy to get rid of ISIS and tackle Islamism at home, why shouldn't it be? Leave them alone we will have far bigger fires to fight in the future.

Because it won't stop isis and it will kill civilians. And it will not stop terrorism in the UK, it'll make it worse.
 


Mandate from labour voters? Why would he need a mandate from labour voters? That happens at election time and the right of the party have failed at the last two general elections. Party Members decide on policy, they are the only ones that matter when it comes to deciding on which policies they want to offer the country.



Rather him than Osborne. As I mentioned earlier when this question was raised, I'm very happy with the economic advisers Corbyn has brought on board.



Fisher was attacked because of his position supporting Corbyn, that is the only reason for the NEC enquiry, other wise they would have done it months ago. Perhaps you would like the NEC to move against Danczuck and Frank Field for their recent comments?
His spouting on about having a huge mandate from the labour members is a huge point....as the labour voters as a whole are the ones that he has to appeal to, not the labour members. And ultimately these are the people he'll live or die from come election time.
If you take Into account the amount of seats lost in Scotland to the snp, the result doesn't look quite so bad, last time out.

Sadly seats are gone now forever so labour has to look to be taking Tory seats, and those seats aren't going to be won over by labour going more left wing that's for sure


Danczuk and field have questioned corbyns ability to lead quite rightly after so many fuck ups in a short amount of time..and field was one one of the initial 36 who put Corbyn up for leader, so it's not like he had an axe to grind..that's a bit of a turnaround for how long he's been in power.

Fisher is a whole different kettle of fish. He was urging people to vote for the class war party in Croydon South rather than labour, he's now a top Corbyn aide..how the fook is that similar to field and danczuk? There's even accusations from Caroline flint about pressure being applied to the chair of the committee to make sure the ban was lifted.
 
Opinion piece.

Really?

Did they eliminate the deficit by 2015? no they didn't they got nowhere near. Did the sell off Royal Mail at a massive loss? yes and who profited from that? Are Public Services in a worse state than in 2010, yes clearly.

Not opinion, all fact. The ConDems were utterly hopeless, which is an even more damning testament to Milliband's Labour.
 
His spouting on about having a huge mandate from the labour members is a huge point....as the labour voters as a whole are the ones that he has to appeal to, not the labour members. And ultimately these are the people he'll live or die from come election time.

Voters do not set party policy, their mandate only comes at election time, the next general election is 2020. The mandate Corbyn has is the same mandate Blair had when he was elected, the mandate of party members. It is the only mandate that matters. Party members are the Party no matter what the PLP think.


Danczuk and field have questioned corbyns ability to lead quite rightly after so many fuck ups in a short amount of time..and field was one one of the initial 36 who put Corbyn up for leader, so it's not like he had an axe to grind..that's a bit of a turnaround for how long he's been in power.

Fisher is a whole different kettle of fish. He was urging people to vote for the class war party in Croydon South rather than labour, he's now a top Corbyn aide..how the fook is that similar to field and danczuk? There's even accusations from Caroline flint about pressure being applied to the chair of the committee to make sure the ban was lifted.

Field has spoken openly about fielding alternate candidates to CLP candidates, it is exactly the same thing.
 
I didn't actually see anything about the post-conflict picture, unless I missed it?


Any response to the point that the Tories' entire strategy is divide and conquer?
There won't be mate . Jumping anaconda is well named , a grandiose self claimed description of a snake in the grass.
 
Voters do not set party policy, their mandate only comes at election time, the next general election is 2020. The mandate Corbyn has is the same mandate Blair had when he was elected, the mandate of party members. It is the only mandate that matters. Party members are the Party no matter what the PLP think.




Field has spoken openly about fielding alternate candidates to CLP candidates, it is exactly the same thing.
If you seriously think that 250k of Corbyn supporters who will in the most part have pretty far left of centre view, are the only ones that matter, labour will be trounced in the next election. The plp will have a far better understanding of where their constituencies sit politically wise than 250k labour members.
Blair had a mandate but he also had the sense to know you win fuck all by staying in the left. If it was a fertile area, foot and kinnock would have been voted in no probs. You win modern elections by being near the centre ground where most people in the country are

I didn't know field has been advocating voting for a different political party in elections...have you a link?
And if so perhaps both should be expelled from the Labour Party. Doesn't it seem odd that a member of a political party should encourage people to vote for the a different party in elections? Especially a standing mp, and a highly placed advisor!
 
If you seriously think that 250k of Corbyn supporters who will in the most part have pretty far left of centre view, are the only ones that matter, labour will be trounced in the next election. The plp will have a far better understanding of where their constituencies sit politically wise than 250k labour members.
Blair had a mandate but he also had the sense to know you win fuck all by staying in the left. If it was a fertile area, foot and kinnock would have been voted in no probs. You win modern elections by being near the centre ground where most people in the country are

I didn't know field has been advocating voting for a different political party in elections...have you a link?
And if so perhaps both should be expelled from the Labour Party. Doesn't it seem odd that a member of a political party should encourage people to vote for the a different party in elections? Especially a standing mp, and a highly placed advisor!
For the record, Kinnock got more votes in 92 than Cameron did in 2015
 
Cameron has a semi on for bombing, it's all he wants, anyone would think that those attacks in Paris were exactly what he wanted. I was wondering how far our boundaries for grief extend to. France, we played the national anthem at all games, I reckon we would have done it if the attacks happened in Germany. Spain maybe but we didn't after the Madrid bombing, Norway we didn't after Anders Breivik's outrage, the rest of Europe I don't think we'd have bothered. The Russian plane brought down by a bomb, like Lockerbie yet it's hardly mentioned.

Cameron wants a legacy.
 
Really?

Did they eliminate the deficit by 2015? no they didn't they got nowhere near. Did the sell off Royal Mail at a massive loss? yes and who profited from that? Are Public Services in a worse state than in 2010, yes clearly.

Not opinion, all fact. The ConDems were utterly hopeless, which is an even more damning testament to Milliband's Labour.
A loss? And who did profit from that?
 
Chiefly ? Are you sure?

The bank advising makes a fee. Not a huge one at that so you can forget that lime of argument.
The boss of Osborne's brother's hedge fund gave half a million to the Tories then made a 50% profit on the shares they purchased.

Lazard was paid £1.5m for its advice and turned an £8m profit overnight on its shares. Were you unaware of this?
 
The boss of Osborne's brother's hedge fund gave half a million to the Tories then made a 50% profit on the shares they purchased.

Lazard was paid £1.5m for its advice and turned an £8m profit overnight on its shares. Were you unaware of this?
No Im not unaware of this. I did quite a lot of work on it.

The place you need to start looking is Twickenham and the sage of it. He was in charge of the whole f***ing debacle. It happened under the coalition but easier to spin it that it was all Osborne on the take.

The biggest beneficiaries have undoubtedly been pension holders.

Lazard also has an asset management arm Chinese walls separate the advisory part and the investment part. And I can assureyou they do.
 
No Im not unaware of this. I did quite a lot of work on it.

The place you need to start looking is Twickenham and the sage of it. He was in charge of the whole f***ing debacle. It happened under the coalition but easier to spin it that it was all Osborne on the take.

The biggest beneficiaries have undoubtedly been pension holders.

Lazard also has an asset management arm Chinese walls separate the advisory part and the investment part. And I can assureyou they do.
About as secure as Gus' China wall according to the PAC

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...l-mail-shares-profit-flotation-margaret-hodge

William Rucker, chief executive of Lazard & Co, admitted at the PAC hearing on Wednesday that his part of the company knew that Lazard Asset Management was given "golden ticket" priority investor status, allowing its investment arm preferential access to the shares.
 
Ok, to clarify, I was talking to you, and do you think Labour are in a mess under Corbyn, yes or no?

sometimes mess is necessary, Rob would prefer everybody to be "on message". there will be some turmoil but thats normal for a party in opposition.

for the record I think Milliband did a great job when he was in charge. didn't work out, we move on, these things happen. there is nothing deterministic about it, its life.
 
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