LVCC D1: Durham v Hampshire

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Fair comments all round really. Top order have ranged from moderate to downright poor this season and have failed in the crucial first innings from beginning to end. Borthwick has had a good season batting wise but no-one else has - its difficult to see how we are going to improve much in the short term but Mustard has to come back into the side IMO.
 


The Voice Of Reason said:
You put a lot of good work in following Durham mate

What percentage of games do you get to out of interest ?
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On average I'll get to 2 days on average of all the LVCC games, all the T20 home games and the vast majority of 1 day games. Pretty much use up about 80% of my annual leave watching Durham. It's always good craic, got to know some good people at the cricket. Mind you it's testing sitting in this type of weather, was very cold today.

rentaghost said:
Fair comments all round really. Top order have ranged from moderate to downright poor this season and have failed in the crucial first innings from beginning to end. Borthwick has had a good season batting wise but no-one else has - its difficult to see how we are going to improve much in the short term but Mustard has to come back into the side IMO.
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Agree about Mustard. I'd be tempted to open with him down in Nottingham.
 
To me it just sounds like another poor wicket to play 1st class cricket on. I think Stoneman is still the only top 3 batsmen to score a hundred at the Riverside all season. The opposition top orders have been worse than ours. It would be fair enough hammering the batsmen and praising the bowlers if Durham where getting pasted but nobody is scoring runs especially in the first innings. Why can the wickets prepared for one day cricket be ok but the ones prepared for 1st class be sub standard and matches are normally over after two and a half days play.
We can talk all we want about batsmen not being good enough but nobody is scoring runs especially against the new ball.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
To me it just sounds like another poor wicket to play 1st class cricket on. I think Stoneman is still the only top 3 batsmen to score a hundred at the Riverside all season. The opposition top orders have been worse than ours. It would be fair enough hammering the batsmen and praising the bowlers if Durham where getting pasted but nobody is scoring runs especially in the first innings. Why can the wickets prepared for one day cricket be ok but the ones prepared for 1st class be sub standard and matches are normally over after two and a half days play.
We can talk all we want about batsmen not being good enough but nobody is scoring runs especially against the new ball.
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We've been shite away from home with the bat too.

Stop making up wank excuses. 19 batting points from a possible 70.
 
The pitch is the same pitch for both teams. We've struggled both home and away this season. We now have the least amount of batting points in both divisions which speaks volumes of how poor our batting has been this season.

New chief groundsman this season, naturally will have his own ideas about preparing a pitch but from what I have seen batting wise this season, we have been very poor.
 
brandon said:
We've been shite away from home with the bat too.

Stop making up wank excuses. 19 batting points from a possible 70.
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That was Durhams 1st innings scores at the Riverside in 2013 when they won the championship. The difference is this season we are loosing close matches at home, one reason is that actually the pace attack this season is not as good as 2013. There is nowt we can do about the wickets at other counties but at Durham they can do something about it.
If they continue to play on these wickets they will ruin another group of talented young batsmen like they did 15 years ago.
The opposition score in 2013 where
132
177
196
209
113
108
112
76
so you could say actually our bowling is worse than our batting at the Riverside compared to 2013.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
250
237
259
267
253
421
245
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That was Durhams 1st innings scores at the Riverside in 2013 when they won the championship. The difference is this season we are loosing close matches at home, one reason is that actually the pace attack this season is not as good as 2013. There is nowt we can do about the wickets at other counties but at Durham they can do something about it.
If they continue to play on these wickets they will ruin another group of talented young batsmen like they did 15 years ago.
The opposition score in 2013 where
132
177
196
209
113
108
112
76
so you could say actually our bowling is worse than our batting at the Riverside compared to 2013.
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What's the 2013 season got to do with this team now? Why can't you just admit the batting has been a disgrace? Why do you persist with shit excuses? Are you Jon Lewis?

So our batting was marginally better in 2013, we also had a better team then. What's more, a lot was spoken of how that team applied themselves better on what were still difficult wickets for batting, however it was the case then as it is now that our bowling was our strongest suit.

This crop just don't seem to fancy the fight. They can't apply themselves, but for Borthwick (and in part Stoneman) and the lower order we'd probably be down already.
 
brandon said:
What's the 2013 season got to do with this team now? Why can't you just admit the batting has been a disgrace? Why do you persist with shit excuses? Are you Jon Lewis?

So our batting was marginally better in 2013, we also had a better team then. What's more, a lot was spoken of how that team applied themselves better on what were still difficult wickets for batting, however it was the case then as it is now that our bowling was our strongest suit.

This crop just don't seem to fancy the fight. They can't apply themselves, but for Borthwick (and in part Stoneman) and the lower order we'd probably be down already.
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The team in 2013 is very similar to the side now, Stokes is a massive loss, but even with him we where not scoring that many more runs then than we are now. So it does have something to do with it. These players have shown they can win as they did for the first half of this season. The way you are going on you would think that the counties visiting the Riverside where all scoring 400+ and then bowling out Durham for 200. Nobody is scoring big runs and playing the new ball is a complete lottery.
Yes Durhams batting line up is not as strong as quite a few in this division and Stoneman and Borthwick are relied on to much, but leave the trash words like disgrace and this crop don't fancy the fight to the dreamers on the football forum. Durham have an honest bunch of pros who with the players they have available are having an ok season.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
The team in 2013 is very similar to the side now, Stokes is a massive loss, but even with him we where not scoring that many more runs then than we are now. So it does have something to do with it. These players have shown they can win as they did for the first half of this season. The way you are going on you would think that the counties visiting the Riverside where all scoring 400+ and then bowling out Durham for 200. Nobody is scoring big runs and playing the new ball is a complete lottery.
Yes Durhams batting line up is not as strong as quite a few in this division and Stoneman and Borthwick are relied on to much, but leave the trash words like disgrace and this crop don't fancy the fight to the dreamers on the football forum. Durham have an honest bunch of pros who with the players they have available are having an ok season.
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So you still think the batting is fine? If it isn't a disgrace, what exactly is it? 19 points from a possible 70 indicates a MASSIVE problem - why can't you see that? We have the WORST number of batting bonus points in the country.

You carry on in your happy clappy, pretty little rainbow bubble pretending there's nothing wrong, I'll continue being realistic.
 
brandon said:
So you still think the batting is fine? If it isn't a disgrace, what exactly is it? 19 points from a possible 70 indicates a MASSIVE problem - why can't you see that? We have the WORST number of batting bonus points in the country.

You carry on in your happy clappy, pretty little rainbow bubble pretending there's nothing wrong, I'll continue being realistic.
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I would suggest why can you not see why they are not picking up many batting points.half of those points have to be won at home the average score for Durham and their opposition is less than 250 so that is both sides missing out and only getting 1 point per match. If you play on result pitches you are not going to get many batting points but you have to win tight low scoring matches, that is what Durham have not been doing over the past 4 or 5 matches.
If the batting is a disgrace what do you think should happen for next season, Colly Pringle Jennings Muchall all out of contract would you get shot of them? where would you sign players from as replacements?
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
I would suggest why can you not see why they are not picking up many batting points.half of those points have to be won at home the average score for Durham and their opposition is less than 250 so that is both sides missing out and only getting 1 point per match. If you play on result pitches you are not going to get many batting points but you have to win tight low scoring matches, that is what Durham have not been doing over the past 4 or 5 matches.
If the batting is a disgrace what do you think should happen for next season, Colly Pringle Jennings Muchall all out of contract would you get shot of them? where would you sign players from as replacements?
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12 out of 35 away from home. Still shite. Your argument is futile.

Just answer me this - do you think our batting is acceptable?

Because if you don't why are you continuing to spout this try hard bollocks, excusing the batting failures?
 
brandon said:
12 out of 35 away from home. Still shite. Your argument is futile.

Just answer me this - do you think our batting is acceptable?

Because if you don't why are you continuing to spout this try hard bollocks, excusing the batting failures?
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As far as the top 6 goes i think we have to many batsmen who want to bat at no6 and 7 in the order and not in the top 4, and they do not have a good enough technique to cope up the order. i don't think our middle order batting has been acceptable, but there is a massive difference between acceptable and a disgrace as you have described them.
Now you tell me you are in John Lewis trainers what you going to do about it?, I have mentioned the players who are out of contract.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
As far as the top 6 goes i think we have to many batsmen who want to bat at no6 and 7 in the order and not in the top 4, and they do not have a good enough technique to cope up the order. i don't think our middle order batting has been acceptable, but there is a massive difference between acceptable and a disgrace as you have described them.
Now you tell me you are in John Lewis trainers what you going to do about it?, I have mentioned the players who are out of contract.
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I'd be banging on Harker's door demanding funds be made available for top order batsmen.

You're spot on about the batsmen, majority of those players are really only middle order. Stoneman and Borthwick aside you could argue the case for all of them to be 6 and 7.

Admittedly the lower order to tail have been acceptable, but I stand by my commnets that the top order has been a disgrace. When was the last time we batted through a session losing only 1/2 top order wickets?

Or more importantly, when did we last reach the 40 over mark with fewer than 5/6 down?!

Oh to be 120-1 at Lunch and/or 250-3 at Tea.
 
From the post on scores I count 16 batting points, not too shabby. That would move us up one place on the table as it is and if we'd also won a few more in away matches we'd go up another one.

I think the problem with batting is down to:
- a couple of people completely out of nick (Mustard and Jennings)
- new players being introduced who need time to settle
- loss of Stokes, comparatively a bigger loss for us than Root is or Yorkshire

this is a transition season for us, the main objective will be to get those new players going for next year and to hope we survive (however there's a cloud on the horizon coming from the ECB)

We've also had a problem with the fourth bowler with injuries to Coughlin, Chase and now Arshad and Harrison is just returning from injury and can't be bowling as best he can.

Nowt we can do for the minute except hope they stay in the 1st Div and the new players develop.
 
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