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The Omega Man
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Borthwick would surely have just as much a chance as stoneman.
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johnson
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good post, I just don't get why some peopel are totally ruling him out. We have had Compton, Carberry and Robson in recent years, none of whom I think are international standard right now.
Probably the best number 3 in the country over the last few years, certainly the most consistent. Sounds like an over the top statement, but when you look around, it really isn't.
Twisted
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he has scored more runs than anyone since the start of last season, or rather this was true a few weeks back, not sure about now.
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johnson
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I'm not one of those people who thinks players don't get picked because they play for Durham, not true at all, but it annoys me in the media when these 2 lads have had no acknowledgement at all when places in the top 3 have been discussed. The usual names like Vince even get mentioned, miles away from replicating Borthwick's scores in div 1
I guess thats my main issue, not that they should be picked, but that they should be talked about as leading contenders
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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no where near good enough
You can't judge him by stats alone though. Colly's FC record was relatively poor when breaking through, as was Trescothick's. I could be wrong but I am not sure Vaughan exactly set the world on fire in County cricket.
For batsmen in particular, temperament is huge. Personally I think he would be a better bet than most tried in that position since Strauss retired.
Yes, mate, I do have the ability to be normal! We all do, its simply a mater of whether or not we use it.
An interesting point above about Stoneman batting on what is described as a "sh*t tip"! Is it really that bad and, if so, where does that leave the argument about Rushworth and his big haul of wickets? If Stoneman's average would be higher if ClS were a better batting strip, then surely Rushworth's bowling average would be higher and his wickets fewer?
And how did Bresnan manage to get a career high score on such a "tip" and Jonny B smack a double ton?
A quick look at Stoneman's career stats shows an F/C batting average of 31.33 and 14 tons in all F/C matches and an average of 30.26 with 7 tons at ClS. His average is lower at Hove, Lord's, Arundel, Old Trafford and Basingstoke and higher at Taunton, Nottingham, Birmingham, Soton and Worcester - and the Racecourse - of grounds where he's batted twice or more. So it looks fairly marginal. Unfortunately, he always seems to get runs against Yorkshire. I think one thing is certain and that's that he's an improving player, so maybe his time will come for England.[/QUOTE]
Completely different for an opening batsman. If you read my post I accepted it wasn't as bad as it was, but the new ball moves excessively. Not many successful openers there over the years. Different game for Bairstow and Bresnan coming in against an older ball.
Bri
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I reckon Stoneman does get talked about, certainly I've heard many commentators inc. people like Mike Atherton while not exactly pushing his case they speak well of him as a possibility.
I haven't heard anyone speak well of Borthwick, I don't mean they talk him down I mean they don't enthuse about his batting, they don't mention it because I think they think of him as a bowler.
You do hear good comments about rushworth though. Even Rob Key spoke well of him although he was taken aback when he heard how many wickets he'd taken so far this year. I recall reading a preview of the Durham/Sussex match and Mike Robinson (Sussex's coach as well as Lion's coach seemed worried by his team having to cope with him.)
I reckon our players are being considered but as you won't hear them being particularly vocal about it for obvious reasons you have to rely on hints and asides.
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Icarebecauseyoudo
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Not if it was with the selector's missus
Twisted
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Other clubs have very vocal ex players in the media, unfortunately our solitary ex player is pretty neutral, even rather negative (perhaps as a result of how his career beers ended) which makes him a good pundit but leaves us lacking someone to champion our players' causes to the nation..
I'm with you here. I think the selectors are generally pretty slow to get round to noticing things unless you either have s break out season it play for a media darling.
Because our lads started out pretty rank average (rocky) and a spinner (badger) and haven't had any starring seasons they have just gone about their business steady and successful they haven't really got much attention.
That he's a mag?
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Brexit
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That is the main one but he likes to use his legs to stop the ball hitting the stumps too often.
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Northern Tiger
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Very good player and I think would be a good selection.
Mackem DJ
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Ha ha ha
Twisted
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ah, my second guess would be that his strike rate is too high, will never be considered as a test opener for england with a strike rate above 35
rentaghost
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I agree. I wouldn't have selected either player for this series - I think up to now they have got the batting selections right and I would be looking at Compton possibly for Lyth. I do think Borthwick should be seriously considered for the Pakistan series. He plays spin beautifully and his bowling would be more than handy as an option.
I also agree that Stoneman should be looked at in the 50 over stuff and he should definitely have got a Lions tour last winter.
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johnson
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sensible post
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