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Why are car manufacturers not really trying this technology. It is being used on some London Buses so why not cars?
 


Why are car manufacturers not really trying this technology. It is being used on some London Buses so why not cars?
They are but it costs a fortune unless it is mass produced its not cost effective.

They'll strangle what they can out of electric then the tech for hydrogen will be good enough to do the same with that.
 
I think the problem is not so much the fuel cell but extracting the hydrogen. It's one of the most if not the most common gas but is always attached to something. The technology isn't there yet to extract it on mass cheaply.
 
Didn't someone invent a car that runs on water then suffered a mysterious death?Did I imagine this? @ProfessionalMackem

You did not dream this mate. Dunno how legit it is. But the guy got assassinated

Dudes name was Stanley meyer

Why are car manufacturers not really trying this technology. It is being used on some London Buses so why not cars?

You know why spitfire lad.

Same reason why the big car/oil companies have bought the patents to the best electrical cells and then shelved them.
 
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Lack of hydrogen network.

Easiest thing in the world to fix though

BP or Shell or a supermarket would merely need to fit one pump in every station, and its done.

Same for a standard sized ~100 mile battery swapout service - literally some lockers were you slot your battery in, and take a charged one out. They'd be selling lecky, which is piss easy to "build a network" of.
 
Easiest thing in the world to fix though

BP or Shell or a supermarket would merely need to fit one pump in every station, and its done.

Same for a standard sized ~100 mile battery swapout service - literally some lockers were you slot your battery in, and take a charged one out. They'd be selling lecky, which is piss easy to "build a network" of.

Not as easy as you make out.

The second idea, battery swap, has been tried and failed, it proved too expensive to establish in the chicken and egg game. Betterplace went bust owing investors billions.
 
Not as easy as you make out.

The second idea, battery swap, has been tried and failed, it proved too expensive to establish in the chicken and egg game. Betterplace went bust owing investors billions.

Oh aye, not that easy.

But if one or more of the big car conglomerates throw in with a major oil company to build a standard replaceable battery (possibly in addition to extra non-removable ones), then the actual system to charge and pay is extremely simple.

Its all about the chicken and egg though, like you say. All depends on enough "standard & user-replaceable" batteries existing.

It would really need to be like how they agree on next gen discs - everyone would have to agree or it would be a pain in the arse - like it was with HD-DVD and Blu Ray
 
Oh aye, not that easy.

But if one or more of the big car conglomerates throw in with a major oil company to build a standard replaceable battery (possibly in addition to extra non-removable ones), then the actual system to charge and pay is extremely simple.

Its all about the chicken and egg though, like you say. All depends on enough "standard & user-replaceable" batteries existing.

It would really need to be like how they agree on next gen discs - everyone would have to agree or it would be a pain in the arse - like it was with HD-DVD and Blu Ray
They already did, ghosn at Nissan-Renault, the fluence and several other cars were built with swappable batteries that you could drive in to a car wash like building, it swaps your battery out and you drive on, took about 4 minutes, great idea, cost a fortune and failed. If you are interested look up a TED presentation by shai Agassi, it had me sold on it completely, I thought it was a superb idea, so did Israel who backed it heavily.
 
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They already did, ghosn at Nissan-Renault, the fluence and several other cars were built with swappable batteries that you could drive in to a car wash like building, it swaps your battery out and you drive on, took about 4 minutes, great idea, cost a fortune and failed. If you are interested look up a TED presentation by shai Agassi, it had me sold on it completely, I thought it was a superb idea, so did Israel who backed it heavily.

Could be a matter of timing too though. Plus, Nissan & Renault owners aren't really known for buying expensive cars, which electric cars kinda are (I know you can find some cheap ones, but I mean, in general).

Something will take off one day - it'll be a match up of good timing and a good plan.
 
The problem is that this isn't the invention of a new technique like the invention of the car which every car company took its origins from.

Every car maker sees things differently and is developing technologies to suit as opposed to there being a single way forward. Hydrogen will probably be the best option for the future but Tesla for instance is showing that you can charge an electric car in 25 minutes and give them a range of 300 miles.

Until there's one definitive answer and single goal, there'll never be a change in how cars are fuelled.
 
I think the problem is not so much the fuel cell but extracting the hydrogen. It's one of the most if not the most common gas but is always attached to something. The technology isn't there yet to extract it on mass cheaply.

Loads of it in the sea. Loads of sea in the oceans. Windy, sunny and wavy at the coast.

Seems to me there solutions can all be found there.
 
not for vehicles but fixed power station "fired" by fuel cells is being built...by a UK company. AFC Energy...howay the fuel cells!
 
How are you separating this abundance from the things it is attached to, and what energy source are you using for the process?

The clues were in my post but specifically free tidal, wind and solar power that are all found at source....the sea. The UK could be self sufficient for vehicle fuel.
 
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