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Punishes it off the back foot and clearly has an "eye". But everything I see of him suggests his technique is awful.

How the fuck has no one worked him out yet?
He's having a golden spell but like everyone he'll have a blip at some point.
Seems to hit a lot of front foot shots whilst still on move which is a lot harder to do in England when ball moving about as he'll find this summer.
Technique is important but knowing own game and limitations just as crucial.
Steve Waugh scored nearly 12000 test runs and don't think theres a hook shot amongst them.
Graeme smith always looked horrible with his closed face bat but managed to carve out a great career.
England would probably have coached all his talent out of him by now mind!
 
Punishes it off the back foot and clearly has an "eye". But everything I see of him suggests his technique is awful.

How the fuck has no one worked him out yet?

give over man, technique? its only what works for you

You would make a good coach at the ECB with that theory.
 
You argue for the sake of it

You argued Bell played well against Scotland. He patted back the slowest spinner in history. In a world cup where 350 is par

Smith has a great record. A sublime record. Technically he is crap and I do think a decent bowling attack, in the longer form especially, should be working him out
 
You argue for the sake of it

You argued Bell played well against Scotland. He patted back the slowest spinner in history. In a world cup where 350 is par

Smith has a great record. A sublime record. Technically he is crap and I do think a decent bowling attack, in the longer form especially, should be working him out

argue for the sake of it? Smith is just about the best batsmen in the world at the minute like, technique means fuck all, and it is a typical English attitude this "bad technique". A good technique is whatever gets you runs

look at Graeme Smith's technique, absolutely awful, but he was a hell of a player, and never "found out"

Don't agree with you at all, especially this "found out"

People said Cook has been "found out", aye after 8500 test runs and 25 100s!!

every player has weaknesses, look at Kholi in england last summer, still a good player like, everyone has different styles

in england we focus on playing too much the right way, Bell for example, not everyone can play that way, and they shouldn't be coached as such

I totally agree with @smoker and its not every often I can say that.

What the fuck has Ian Bell's ODI knock against Scotland got to do with it, clutching at straws there marra
 
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argue for the sake of it? Smith is just about the best batsmen in the world at the minute like, technique means fuck all, and it is a typical English attitude this "bad technique". A good technique is whatever gets you runs

look at Graeme Smith's technique, absolutely awful, but he was a hell of a player, and never "found out"

Don't agree with you at all, especially this "found out"

People said Cook has been "found out", aye after 8500 test runs and 25 100s!!

every player has weaknesses, look at Kholi in england last summer, still a good player like, everyone has different styles

in england we focus on playing too much the right way, Bell for example, not everyone can play that way, and they shouldn't be coached as such

I totally agree with @smoker and its not every often I can say that.

What the fuck has Ian Bell's ODI knock against Scotland got to do with it, clutching at straws there marra

Just to restore the status quo, I totally disagree about Cook. He has been 'found out' - he has a weakness to the angled delivery and full straight delivery on the pads and, until such a point as he fixes them, he is a walking wicket. Amazing that, 2 years on from the 2013 Ashes when this was first systematiucally exposed, he is still getting out the same way! He really needs a better batting coach.

Kohli, in complete contrast, too steps to remedy his vulnerability to the late away swinger - ie took guard a foot further forward, in Australia - and hey presto he averages 100+. Yes, the ball moves less over there, but Australia still had some tidy lads who can generate conventional and reverse swing under the right conditions. I expect him to fill his boots, next time he is in England.
 
Just to restore the status quo, I totally disagree about Cook. He has been 'found out' - he has a weakness to the angled delivery and full straight delivery on the pads and, until such a point as he fixes them, he is a walking wicket. Amazing that, 2 years on from the 2013 Ashes when this was first systematiucally exposed, he is still getting out the same way! He really needs a better batting coach.

Kohli, in complete contrast, too steps to remedy his vulnerability to the late away swinger - ie took guard a foot further forward, in Australia - and hey presto he averages 100+. Yes, the ball moves less over there, but Australia still had some tidy lads who can generate conventional and reverse swing under the right conditions. I expect him to fill his boots, next time he is in England.

I just don't agree, you can't get "found out" after 8000 test runs and 25 centuries. Bit late by then isn't it.

He has always had this flaw, his whole career, bowlers have always tried to bowl there, he is just bang out of form, maybe its 10 years in international cricket or the captaincy.

I don't expect him to fill his boats in England Kholi by the way, I watched every ball of that series, and they were the flattest pitches I have ever seen, as had many of the commentators. Look at the amount of runs scored in that series by both teams, and the amount of wickets taken, says alot about that series. Hardly the bench mark

We are never gonna agree on that, so best off just leaving it there probably.
 
I just don't agree, you can't get "found out" after 8000 test runs and 25 centuries. Bit late by then isn't it.

He has always had this flaw, his whole career, bowlers have always tried to bowl there, he is just bang out of form, maybe its 10 years in international cricket or the captaincy.

I don't expect him to fill his boats in England Kholi by the way, I watched every ball of that series, and they were the flattest pitches I have ever seen, as had many of the commentators. Look at the amount of runs scored in that series by both teams, and the amount of wickets taken, says alot about that series. Hardly the bench mark

We are never gonna agree on that, so best off just leaving it there probably.

Not disputng his good past record. But you cant live on former glories...just look at Gambhir last summer! The fact remains Chef can be got out far too easily now, and his ability as a captain does not compensate sufficiently for this. He is fortunate to have hit poor form (if you want to call it that) at a time when there are few outstanding rival candidates for captain, lets face it Lyth, Lees, Carberry and Compton could probably do a better job with the bat.

Aye we will probably never agree in this but I have the last word now so ner. ;)
 
Not disputng his good past record. But you cant live on former glories...just look at Gambhir last summer! The fact remains Chef can be got out far too easily now, and his ability as a captain does not compensate sufficiently for this. He is fortunate to have hit poor form (if you want to call it that) at a time when there are few outstanding rival candidates for captain, lets face it Lyth, Lees, Carberry and Compton could probably do a better job with the bat.

Aye we will probably never agree in this but I have the last word now so ner. ;)

I am not disputing the fact that he should be in the team based on his record, I think that is a separate argument personally. My point is I don't think he has been found out, he has always had the weakness, but always found a way to score runs. Obviously he is struggling for form, and unless he sorts it out soon he will be dropped, no doubt about that like.

PS I don't rate Carberry in the slightest, but the rest look decent players.
 
Don't want to sound like a relic but it's partly down to how largely crap modern bowlers are.

His technique is gash, werent England getting him out at will a year or two ago?!
 
Don't want to sound like a relic but it's partly down to how largely crap modern bowlers are.

His technique is gash, werent England getting him out at will a year or two ago?!

:lol:

If modern bowlers are so shit, what happened to NZ there?
 
They got blown away, they only have two top class batsmen (KW & BM) and one of them (KW) has been badly out of form this tournament

Guptill was top scorer in the tournament

Elliot and Anderson (his batting alone) would walk into the England team.

fact is Australia have some superb one day bowlers.
 
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