Michael Vaughan

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Has been Englands best captain over the last 15-20 years.Would he make a good coach and would he be under consideration should the ECB dispense with Moores services again?
 


chunkylover53 said:
Are you trying to tell me that the following England captains didn't have brilliant managerial careers?

Bryan Robson
Alan Shearer
Tony Adams
Terry f***ing Butcher

Oh and Sol Campbell ;)
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2 different sports so is the comparison valid? Vaughan is the most astute captain and player we've had in the last 20 years and his work as a pundit means he'll be aware of the recent developments both tactictly and playing wise. Would be a good choice imo.
 
Think he'd be good in a consultancy role, or maybe a member of the backroom staff for now. He's had no real coaching experience to date so for me I'd have others ahead of him in the pecking order for the time being.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Fine

Raymond Illingworth
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Aye and at the time I thought Illingworth was a good appointment.

brandon said:
Think he'd be good in a consultancy role, or maybe a member of the backroom staff for now. He's had no real coaching experience to date so for me I'd have others ahead of him in the pecking order for the time being.
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But that's exactly what the manager's role should be-an experienced head that the captain can consult to discuss tactics and there's no way Moore's can fill that role.
 
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brandon said:
Think he'd be good in a consultancy role, or maybe a member of the backroom staff for now. He's had no real coaching experience to date so for me I'd have others ahead of him in the pecking order for the time being.
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Said on Tuffers and Vaughan last night he's never coached. OP is on tippex.

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Fine

Raymond Illingworth
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And Keith Fletcher was shite at both.
 
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Definitely not for me. He was accused of the same shortcomings as a one day player/captain back in the day but suddenly is on the bandwagon of critics.

I would like to see us think outside of the box a little. Moxon is a great coach in my opinion. Did much of the hard work that led to Durham's success, and brought some belters through at Yorkshire.
 
Parkside said:
Aye and at the time I thought Illingworth was a good appointment.


But that's exactly what the manager's role should be-an experienced head that the captain can consult to discuss tactics and there's no way Moore's can fill that role.
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Head Coach, would I assume be required to do a bit of coaching....... Moore's is shit though I agree there.
 
More money and a better lifestyle with less pressure in punditry these days, I doubt he will tbh.
 
He says so much, some of it good, some of it shite

Last year he said he would sack Cook and put Morgan in charge of the test team FFS

NOMOREFALSEDAWNS said:
Has been Englands best captain over the last 15-20 years.Would he make a good coach and would he be under consideration should the ECB dispense with Moores services again?
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Not for me mate, Nasser was the best IMO, dragged the team up with him almost single handily.

I also prefer Strauss to Vaughan, appreciate what he did in the 05 Ashes, but Strauss developed a hell of a winning team and culture, with less talent than Vaughan had IMO. Like the way Strauss speaks, he will never ever over react or panic, you can see that when he is a pundit after another England thrashing, very pragmatic and calm, which is exactly what you need as captain.
 
I love it (and this holds for football too) how people judge how good a coach is

A coach should be judged independently from the quality of their players. And no one, apart from those who follow every game in meticulous details, will have any idea how good a coach is
 
chunkylover53 said:
I love it (and this holds for football too) how people judge how good a coach is

A coach should be judged independently from the quality of their players. And no one, apart from those who follow every game in meticulous details, will have any idea how good a coach is
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You can judge the quality of a teaching or coaching very easily by looking at 'value added', ie how much the cohort has developed under the coach in question. You could use quantitative performance indicators such as batting/bowling average, strike rate etc and measure how much it has increased from a baseline over a set period of time. If you look at just one player in this way, then it is prone to error as the player might be having personal difficulties, but over a squad of 16 players under central contracts it should give you a reasonably accurate measure of coaching. This approach is widely used in education.
 
Loved Vaughan as captain, seemed very relaxed and will alwats admire him for the 2005 Ashes

Since retiring he has become a first class bell end.
 
smoker said:
You can judge the quality of a teaching or coaching very easily by looking at 'value added', ie how much the cohort has developed under the coach in question. You could use quantitative performance indicators such as batting/bowling average, strike rate etc and measure how much it has increased from a baseline over a set period of time. If you look at just one player in this way, then it is prone to error as the player might be having personal difficulties, but over a squad of 16 players under central contracts it should give you a reasonably accurate measure of coaching. This approach is widely used in education.
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I take your point

But arent there too many outside factors?

Quality of opposition
Pitches
Weather
Luck
Form
Personal life and mentality
Etc etc

I accept that statistically these normalise
 
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