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Bagpuss
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Used to love the whole body builder look as a kid (brought up on Arnie, Sly Stallone and Hulk movies)
As an adult (who now struggles to keep weight off) reckon this ripped lean and functional muscles is deffo the way forward.....Oh and getting lean is a damn site easier than piling muscle on (if you dont used gear anyway)
As an adult (who now struggles to keep weight off) reckon this ripped lean and functional muscles is deffo the way forward.....Oh and getting lean is a damn site easier than piling muscle on (if you dont used gear anyway)
Charmless Man
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Arnie deadlifted 600lbs+ in a competition, as a teenager. That's functional muscle.
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Bagpuss
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Thats steroids
Been a bit unfair ha ha......I think a balance needs striking. As a kid it was all about lifting big and big muscles.....Problem is I see so many big lads who can lift big but couldnt jog to the end of the street.
Joe Public
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Love this, unreal strength, balance and control.
Phenomenal!
Thats steroids
Been a bit unfair ha ha......I think a balance needs striking. As a kid it was all about lifting big and big muscles.....Problem is I see so many big lads who can lift big but couldnt jog to the end of the street.
I don't think one is necessarily better than the other (well maybe it is, depending on how lasses think) but just preference and lifestyle choices.
I personally have always been jealous of the Bruce Lee, Brad Pitt-in-Snatch look over Arnie and Stallone. That would suit me more since my primary enjoyment is various sports where I have to be agile and quick etc. But other people get a lot of enjoyment from lifting heavy weights, in which case the other physique is preferable to them.
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Bagpuss
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Agree totally, my preference has gone from one to the other as I get older and become more confident in my naturally skinny frame......Hated been skinny as a kid so did loads of weights to bulk up......Now am happy being skinny and lean as want to be fast
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Disagree personally
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Bagpuss
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It really is, burn more calories than you eat and you get lean.....Eat more calories than you burn and you might build muscle but you will also put on fat. It is a far more complicated process imho
Charmless Man
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It's not really a matter for disagreement, it's both easier and takes less time. You just eat less food and don't even have to exercise to lose fat.
I know what you are driving at, but surely it would depend on the person? Going to the gym is the easy part for me, I enjoy it for the most part and it has little effect on my lifestyle since it's only an hour or so out of my day. Exercise has forever been a massive part of my life, so it's second nature.
Eating and drinking less is the hard part for me, it's a constant battle from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep. I'm always hungry and society (particularly british) general dictates that almost every social activity involves alcohol (and often food, unhealthy food).
Charmless Man
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Me as well, I love training but it doesn't work like that because there is an upper limit to how much muscle your body can actually synthesise in a given period of time, and the rate is slower than the rate at which you can shed fat.
Of course, but that's a "laboratory" approach to the subject. It is based on a situation where the environment is controlled and regulated. In such a situation it all boils down to what the body is physically capable of. The human body can shed fat quicker than it can synthesise muscle. That's fine.
The reality however, is that the average person has many other external factors which will have a direct effect and it is no longer a mere question of what the human body can physically do quicker. The outside influences of our western lifestyles are more adverse to weight loss than they are to muscle building, since they generally include a lot of calories which is something that promotes muscle synthesis while prevents fat loss.
So in a "lab test" environment the subject will lose fat quicker than he can build muscle. In the real world, for some people it will be the reverse. Weight loss requires a significant (and not very enjoyable) lifestyle change for a lot of people.
Charmless Man
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Not laboratory testing at all. It's a consensus about people who weight train and track what happens. I'm not especially interested in anyone who doesn't track what they're doing because they can't reasonably expect to see consistent results.
All things being equal, weight loss is an easier process.
That's the point I'm making. In the real world, all things are not equal.
Charmless Man
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Well quite, so likewise if you're in an intense period of weight training and also have a busy lifestyle it becomes incredibly difficult to sustain the calorie intake needed to gain weight. If you're busy doing other things it's easier to not eat than eat.
I don't think the argument particularly holds water.
It does, because I never said building muscle was easier. I said it depends on the person. Your example above is demonstrating my point. That person will find it easier to lose weight than build muscle. The guy that has plenty of free time, a voracious appetite and a very active social life will find it easier to build muscle than to get lean. There are external factors in everyone's life that make certain things easier, or harder, and it's rarely black and white.
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