Hand Ball....

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I'd say a player is in an active offside position if the ball comes near him; it was Burnley at Spurs who conceded a goal when IIRC Eriksson stepped over it
 


redandwhiterob said:
So lets get this straight you think offsife should be offside even if the player in no way shape or form is interfering with the game?

For eg you think its ok if a Sunderland player scores a 30 yard screamer but it's ruled out cos defoe is a half a yard offside inside the box?
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Used to see to corkers chalked off for the same thing until they changed the rule.
 
redandwhiterob said:
It would be a farce man:lol::lol:



Get in the box and players would be trying to chip the ball against someone hand, players would be waddling about the box with box arms behind there back:lol::lol:
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:confused: They should be keeping their arms out the way now.
 
The way I see it, it's a bit like the pundits curse of "last man", which of course they have created since that law isn't anything to do with the last man. They claim things like, his arms were in a natural position so it isn't hand ball. LOAF says that the position of the hand does not necessarily mean there is an infringement, but the way they talk it's as if you can lunge at the ball as long as your arm is down by your side.
It has to be a deliberate act first and foremost and the only exception is the distance the ball has travelled. The latter is the grey area for me, what exactly does it mean? Again it is down to interpretation, but who cares as long as he is consistent. My argument would be that if you have had enough reaction time to put your hands up, protection or not, you've had enough time to get out of the way. Also the deliberate act, if for instance I am closing someone down with my arms out like a clothes line, he hits the ball off my arm, technically that isn't a handball or is it as the deliberate act is me tackling with my arms outstretched
It is very grey to me but what people need to realise is that the refs discuss these points when they meet and agree in principle, although you wouldn't believe it when you look at some decisions.
 
Bishop Mackem said:
So you're saying if defoe was standing half s hard offside on the right side of the pitch while Johnson slammed in a 40 yard screamer from the left hand side then the goal wouldn't stand as Defoe was offside?
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No I absolutely have not said that. Please stop making up things I've said.
 
redandwhiterob said:
So lets get this straight you think offsife should be offside even if the player in no way shape or form is interfering with the game?

For eg you think its ok if a Sunderland player scores a 30 yard screamer but it's ruled out cos defoe is a half a yard offside inside the box?
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No I don't think it's ok, you've twisted the situation I mentioned to try and wriggle from the point I made regarding the man who is *offside* but let's the ball run on, then turns , runs into the box and scores from the cross , this cannot be acceptable surely, even to you?

It's ok you needn't reply I think I know what your answer will be.
 
Bishop Mackem said:
But you said offside should be offside. If defoe is stood offside when Johnson shot then the goal wouldn't be allowed.
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No because he's not passing to Defoe. He's having a shot from 40 yards was my understanding ?
 
Bishop Mackem said:
But you said offside should be offside and if Defoe was stood offside then by your rules johnsons shot wouldn't stand because he was stood offside..
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But Johnson's having a shot. Offside should be offside if the player getting passed to or scoring is offside but in this instance Johnson's going for an ambitious 40 yard rasper.
 
Bishop Mackem said:
Hand ball rule is a piece of piss to understand tbh. Not sure how people are confused?

Referees are just f***ing shite though and need some serious training to get up to top level standard.
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I agree the handball rule is straightforward. The problem is the interpretation of it. Always will be.
 
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