KP states "county cricketers are muppets"

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Bri said:
There's got to be a big variation between counties and between players at a county.

I read this in an article on salary cap in the FT

"Compare that with the average first-team salary in county cricket: about £50,000 a year. Of course, some elite overseas players, such as former South African Test captain Graeme Smith at Surrey, can make a reported £150,000, but they are extremely rare."

If this is right then for those making around £15k that would be when they're trying to make a career and I'd imagine if they don't make it and increase that amount they would go and do something else quite naturally.

In addition to their wages players will look for sponsorship, a lucky few will play representative cricket or find a gig abroad in the off-season or do what Chris Rushworth has been doing and do a bit of paid coaching.

I'd doubt players are on the bread-line but I'd also think they're not rolling in money and apart from the top top players (e.g. KP and his private jet) they'll know that when their playing days end they'll need to find a new source of income.
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The same Graeme Smith, who KP famously called a 'muppet' :lol:
 


So he is pretty much describing the two divisional 4 day set-up. I.e. find a way for the best to come up against each other more. Do the same for limited overs within the calendar and make the logistics work and boost interest

The franchise idea is a red herring.
 
3.142 said:
So he is pretty much describing the two divisional 4 day set-up. I.e. find a way for the best to come up against each other more. Do the same for limited overs within the calendar and make the logistics work and boost interest

The franchise idea is a red herring.
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No he is suggesting have only 10 teams and the money the ECB save donating £2 million to all 18 counties could be used to pay big stars like KP the type of money they are paid in the big bash. The players who will be squeezed out will be KPs "muppets" who would not get a contract if it went down to 10 sides.
 
3.142 said:
So he is pretty much describing the two divisional 4 day set-up. I.e. find a way for the best to come up against each other more. Do the same for limited overs within the calendar and make the logistics work and boost interest

The franchise idea is a red herring.
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Don't think so, think he's suggesting a smaller number of teams so you'd see a higher concentration of talent, both domestic and overseas players. And he'd be right. Obviously there'd be self interest from the star players to get the money concentrated across fewer players.

Fewer teams would have better players and I'd be far more interested in watching that than say Northants v Leicestershire as I'm sure many other supporters would.

Why do we need counties? They aren't relevant in any other walk of life. Conservative, traditional values for the sake of it.

Tin hat on.
 
Surely no county cricketer is on only 15-18K a year.

They could earn much more in other jobs. I know cricket is a poorly paid sport but surely not that poorly paid.
 
Aidan11 said:
Surely no county cricketer is on only 15-18K a year.

They could earn much more in other jobs. I know cricket is a poorly paid sport but surely not that poorly paid.
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Well we know Durham' s wage bill for playing staff is £800k and the likes of Colly's,Hastings, Bunny, Rushy, Scott, Colonel and Rocky will be on at least £60k - £80k that doesn't leave a lot to be shared amongst the rest.
 
Safc_Luke said:
I bet the likes of Dunn, Ansari etc aren't on much more
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I think you will find that they are.

wayne entwhistle no9 said:
As far as Surrey goes he has been released. There is talk of him signing a similar contract with Somerset as he had with Surrey. Apparently matey with Matty Maynard.
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My personal opinion: I think he will end up f***ing off and doing a "Tony Greig." He will pitch up in Melbourne bang next to his mate Warnie.
 
I know one Durham player very well, and he is on a hell of a lot more than 18k like!

Also been a fair reaction form county players, ex players and people involved in the game, basically saying that no professional is on that lower income. KP won't know will he, he was centrally contracted for most of his career.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
I think KP is referring to the dead wood which clog up county cricket rather than young players. Every county has got a few players who are no longer promising youngsters who are not good enough to play regular first team cricket and are never going to be good enough and would be no where near a state squad in Australia or a big bash team.
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At what age do you stop being a promising youngster and become dead wood?

There have been loads of late developers over the years: Graham Onions, Jonathan Trott, Michael Lumb, Michael Carberry, Chris Rogers, Mike Hussey for example
 
Parkside said:
Well we know Durham' s wage bill for playing staff is £800k and the likes of Colly's,Hastings, Bunny, Rushy, Scott, Colonel and Rocky will be on at least £60k - £80k that doesn't leave a lot to be shared amongst the rest.
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It could add up if you assume that Colly and Rocky would get the higher figure as they're captain and then the rest of the squad would be on about 40k with maybe people like Main and Poynter on less. It may fit but then what about the lads in the academy and the employer NI and insurance and so on. To me it all sounds too tight, I don't think these sumz are correct and to someone who knows they're probably hilarious.

But, is it different to what we 'know' already which is apart from a small few professionals at the top cricket is a good living but once it ends you need to do something else to keep hearth and home together. I think given the chance and the talent I'd have had a shot at it and not regretted anything if I'd missed out.
 
smoker said:
At what age do you stop being a promising youngster and become dead wood?

There have been loads of late developers over the years: Graham Onions, Jonathan Trott, Michael Lumb, Michael Carberry, Chris Rogers, Mike Hussey for example
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Well of the ones you have quoted 4 of them are overseas players. Hussey and Rogers scored boat loads of runs for Western Australia even before they came to play county cricket. Lumb and Trott where both South African under 19 cricketers who came over to play county cricket rather than attempt to play for the country of their birth. Carberry left Surrey because he could not get in the side ahead of the likes of Butcher, Thorp, Stewart, Brown and the Hollioakes and then left Kent to go to Hampshire for the dough. Onions has been good enough to play for Durham since his early 20s but Durham chose to play the likes of Punkett and a succession of tempoary overseas players such as Reon King Dewald Pretorious Shaun Tait and Kumar ahead of him.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
Well of the ones you have quoted 4 of them are overseas players. Hussey and Rogers scored boat loads of runs for Western Australia even before they came to play county cricket. Lumb and Trott where both South African under 19 cricketers who came over to play county cricket rather than attempt to play for the country of their birth. Carberry left Surrey because he could not get in the side ahead of the likes of Butcher, Thorp, Stewart, Brown and the Hollioakes and then left Kent to go to Hampshire for the dough. Onions has been good enough to play for Durham since his early 20s but Durham chose to play the likes of Punkett and a succession of tempoary overseas players such as Reon King Dewald Pretorious Shaun Tait and Kumar ahead of him.
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I was just listing some players who were late developers.

As you say, though, Onions and Carberry would probably qualify as muppets under KP logic.
 
smoker said:
I was just listing some players who were late developers.

As you say, though, Onions and Carberry would probably qualify as muppets under KP logic.
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No i agree the people iam talking about as dead wood from a Durham point of view are the likes of Muchall. Coetzer, Ben Harmison who where all promising as teenagers but are no better now than they where when they where 20.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
No i agree the people iam talking about as dead wood from a Durham point of view are the likes of Muchall. Coetzer, Ben Harmison who where all promising as teenagers but are no better now than they where when they where 20.
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Harmison and Coetzer were shipped out years ago to division two clubs. Harmison was 25 when he left Durham, Coetzer 26 (including the loan spell). Not convinced they were retained an unrealistic length of time.

Muchall on the other hand...
 
He's doing his best to cling onto the limelight like, no doubt he will go into commentary so people might as well get used to his wind ups.
 
smoker said:
Harmison and Coetzer were shipped out years ago to division two clubs. Harmison was 25 when he left Durham, Coetzer 26 (including the loan spell). Not convinced they were retained an unrealistic length of time.

Muchall on the other hand...
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No they were not retained to long but it was obvious at Durham they where not good enough yet they are still county cricketers a few seasons on and are still no better. There is probably over a 100 cricketers on the county circuit who are in the same boat. Yes there will be the odd one that improves at a later age but there would still be a way back into the county game via club and minor counties cricket the way Chris Rushworth had to do it, and become a good county cricketer.
 
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